PsychoSword
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Let's play a game!
It's an old one, but I think you might like it. It's called "blame terrorism on your political enemies".
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New Terrorist Attacks?
- Thread starter Hard Ball
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Let's play a game!
It's an old one, but I think you might like it. It's called "blame terrorism on your political enemies".
Destructo6
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How about another one: deny reality?Let's play a game!
It's an old one, but I think you might like it. It's called "blame terrorism on your political enemies".
http://www.earthliberationfront.com/main.shtml
Next, I suppose, you'll assert that ELF doesn't exist outside of FBI HQ and all of their websites, rallies, members, etc are all fabrications to throw us off the real trail, which is TBA, but sinister to be sure.
Ya know, Kathaksung...
It is just possible that there are some occurances in the universe that are not tied into some grand conspiracy, wherein the powers and their brokers seek to deny us our very rights as humans. Because if it's all tied together into a neat, tidy little bundle and we're all just pawns in a cosmic chess game being casually played by folks who randomly use us as if we're toilet paper, then I'd rather load up on smack and play chicken while driving 100 MPH going the wrong way on the interstate.
Get some help.
It is just possible that there are some occurances in the universe that are not tied into some grand conspiracy, wherein the powers and their brokers seek to deny us our very rights as humans. Because if it's all tied together into a neat, tidy little bundle and we're all just pawns in a cosmic chess game being casually played by folks who randomly use us as if we're toilet paper, then I'd rather load up on smack and play chicken while driving 100 MPH going the wrong way on the interstate.
Get some help.
Destructo6
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Must be the FBI, because the various environmentalist groups, from the Sierra Club down, couldn't possibly do it.And just who are these people that fund all these organizations like the "Earth Liberations Front"? Who founded them?
The original ELF was Santa Cruz based, formed in 1977 and disbanded in 1978 after the founder went to jail. A British branch of "Earth First" resurrected the "ELF" acronym, changing "Environmental Life Force" into "Earth Liberation Front." Hmmn, Earth First has a few dollars...
Why don't you do some of your own legwork for once?
Destructo6,
The "various environmental groups" must use a ton of money each year on their own expenses. The FBI? Who knows; if the FBI would aid and abet a group like Al Kidya, what's a little funding for a mere enviroterror group?
It is all very well naming a few names of the frontmen; but where and from who are they getting what must be an enormous amount of money? This is not something that one person of limited means is going to be able to investigate and track.
Of course the people that probably have all this information aren't talking. Looking through the "Official 911 Report" I found a whole half a page that covered the funding of the alleged 9/11 hijackers. It basically said very little about who, what, where, when and how.
The "various environmental groups" must use a ton of money each year on their own expenses. The FBI? Who knows; if the FBI would aid and abet a group like Al Kidya, what's a little funding for a mere enviroterror group?
It is all very well naming a few names of the frontmen; but where and from who are they getting what must be an enormous amount of money? This is not something that one person of limited means is going to be able to investigate and track.
Of course the people that probably have all this information aren't talking. Looking through the "Official 911 Report" I found a whole half a page that covered the funding of the alleged 9/11 hijackers. It basically said very little about who, what, where, when and how.
Destructo6
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Sources?The FBI? Who knows; if the FBI would aid and abet a group like Al Kidya, what's a little funding for a mere enviroterror group?
Destructo6
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You need to be specific. Those two names are associated with memos documenting FBI incompetence, institutional inertia, and similar, not any sort of help.
Write it off as "incompetence" or "institutional inertia"? From their testimony, and taking into account many other sources such as Ray McGovern, I call it aiding and abetting. It was no secret that these people were planning this event; they had already hit a series of targets. There were individual officials who stonewalled this - not some machine without powers of intellect, reason and logic. And it is these people who need to be specific - after they are named and questioned under oath before a public hearing.
Back to funding, the Sierra Club et al. send out as many or more mailers to their potential backers as the NRA does. Wayne and the boys are never really short of money and that's almost solely from US gunowners. You buy something from a Mountain Hardware catalog or respond to the Outside magazine free offer, and a few months later you get the opportunity to participate in a Sierra Club survey and "send along a few bucks to help the cause, wontcha?" That's a hell of a lot bigger pie worldwide than the NRA can dig up, not to mention the corporate donations. ELF wouldn't NEED Federal help to syphon off part of that dough. This method of raising funding is hardly new. A lot of the money collected in Boston pubs in the seventies to help out Irish Catholic "widow's and orphans" ,agically turned from beans to bullets on the way back to the old country.
The 9/11 Comm. report stated that Al-Quaida's main financing was hard to trace because it WASN'T official or part of the normal money transfer system. It was donations big and small from millions of private individuals worldwide through non-trad. but culturally ancient money transfer practices.
-note, I do not believe the Sierra Club itself funds ELF, but the eco-charity movement in general is large and amorphous
The 9/11 Comm. report stated that Al-Quaida's main financing was hard to trace because it WASN'T official or part of the normal money transfer system. It was donations big and small from millions of private individuals worldwide through non-trad. but culturally ancient money transfer practices.
-note, I do not believe the Sierra Club itself funds ELF, but the eco-charity movement in general is large and amorphous
Carebear
That is attempting to state the "obvious", but it is not quite true - and they know it. Statements by Mr Chertoff the Assistant AG on that subject make that very clear. So where is the money trail and the names, institutions etc?
Remember Bank of Credit and Commerce International? To this day I am often reminded of "looted Nazi gold" and "swiss accounts"; but for some reason little is said about the fall of BCCI.
I was skimming a rag on the newstand today that told us all about what the Security and Exchange Commission - and it head William Donaldson - are doing. But what I still haven't seen is all about the who (and who else), what, where, when and how all that American and United Airlines stock trading - right before the infamous September 11th.
... The 9/11 Comm. report stated that Al-Quaida's main financing was hard to trace because it WASN'T official or part of the normal money transfer system ....
That is attempting to state the "obvious", but it is not quite true - and they know it. Statements by Mr Chertoff the Assistant AG on that subject make that very clear. So where is the money trail and the names, institutions etc?
Remember Bank of Credit and Commerce International? To this day I am often reminded of "looted Nazi gold" and "swiss accounts"; but for some reason little is said about the fall of BCCI.
I was skimming a rag on the newstand today that told us all about what the Security and Exchange Commission - and it head William Donaldson - are doing. But what I still haven't seen is all about the who (and who else), what, where, when and how all that American and United Airlines stock trading - right before the infamous September 11th.
Destructo6
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Your example of the Bank of Credit and Commerce International makes carebear's point, since it was designed to be difficult to unravel the origins of its funding. There's no reason to assume that AlQaida wouldn't structure things in similar layers to make tracking difficult.
Being the head of the Justice Dept, he makes a lot of statements, be specific.Statements by Mr Chertoff the Assistant AG on that subject make that very clear
PsychoSword
Moderator
How about another one: deny reality?
http://www.earthliberationfront.com/main.shtml
Next, I suppose, you'll assert that ELF doesn't exist outside of FBI HQ and all of their websites, rallies, members, etc are all fabrications to throw us off the real trail, which is TBA, but sinister to be sure.
ELF is not the only terrorist organization in the United States. You just happen to not like them because of the globalist's carefully crafted propaganda system that screams in our ears "if you are a member of an animal rights group you're aligned with communists" and if you hate these organizations then you're an evil uncaring right wing fascist. So who's denying reality? Their members are stooges, unfortunately most of them never realize that they've been programmed.
ELF gets funding from PETA. And you always hear the battle cry from the phony right wing; "PETA funds terrorists", "PETA funds terrorists", but you never hear where PETA gets its funds from. Once again, I have to say that it's time to get past the rhetoric....
PETA gets its funding the same place all non-profits do, from their members.
It's an international group that rides the eco-socialist wagon train. Well meaning but usually science-challenged people all over the world send them money so they can "feel good" about "helping the animals".
Again, they hardly need .gov funding to stay in business or have the largess to share the wealth with the more "direct action" type animal rights wackos.
It's an international group that rides the eco-socialist wagon train. Well meaning but usually science-challenged people all over the world send them money so they can "feel good" about "helping the animals".
Again, they hardly need .gov funding to stay in business or have the largess to share the wealth with the more "direct action" type animal rights wackos.
Destructo6
Not at all; banks keep records, and within the structure of any major banks you have many other sources of information including the bank officials and general employees. In the case of BCCI it not all made public no doubt, but it involved money from intelligence services, drugs and arms dealers alike.
The Senate Banking Committee Hearings concerning the money trail of 9/11. He stated, for instance, "Frankly, we can't differentiate between terrorism and organized crime and drug dealing"
So they certainly know enough if it is possible to say that the money involved is intermingled in three distinct subject areas.
The SEC supposedly was looking into the heavy stock trading of American and United Airlines stock right before 9/11. That was years ago, and to date we have not seen the who, what, why, when and how on that one. It certainly wasn't in the "Official 9/11 Report".
Your example of the Bank of Credit and Commerce International makes carebear's point, since it was designed to be difficult to unravel the origins of its funding. There's no reason to assume that AlQaida wouldn't structure things in similar layers to make tracking difficult.
Not at all; banks keep records, and within the structure of any major banks you have many other sources of information including the bank officials and general employees. In the case of BCCI it not all made public no doubt, but it involved money from intelligence services, drugs and arms dealers alike.
Being the head of the Justice Dept, he makes a lot of statements, be specific
The Senate Banking Committee Hearings concerning the money trail of 9/11. He stated, for instance, "Frankly, we can't differentiate between terrorism and organized crime and drug dealing"
So they certainly know enough if it is possible to say that the money involved is intermingled in three distinct subject areas.
The SEC supposedly was looking into the heavy stock trading of American and United Airlines stock right before 9/11. That was years ago, and to date we have not seen the who, what, why, when and how on that one. It certainly wasn't in the "Official 9/11 Report".
Wow.. This is a really strange series of threads. What was the topic again? Oh ya.. Terrorists striking the U.S. again.
Perhaps this thread is a new form of ciber attack. I suggest that George Bush stop foiling terrorist attacks so that we can prove that there is a war on terrorism, or just elect Kerry and he can talk them down.
Perhaps this thread is a new form of ciber attack. I suggest that George Bush stop foiling terrorist attacks so that we can prove that there is a war on terrorism, or just elect Kerry and he can talk them down.
PsychoSword
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PETA gets its funding the same place all non-profits do, from their members.
Many of whom are rich businessmen who encourage charity to groups like the ELF in order to make themselves appear more moderate.
Destructo6
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Was he referring to funding, as in, "Frankly, we can't differentiate between (monies used to fund) terrorism and organized crime and drug dealing."? If so, that's a pretty wide cast, covering just about every non-lawful activity, rather than anything specific.The Senate Banking Committee Hearings concerning the money trail of 9/11. He stated, for instance, "Frankly, we can't differentiate between terrorism and organized crime and drug dealing"
How would would contributing to ELF make anybody appear more moderate? The Sierra Club I would accept, but not ELF.Many of whom are rich businessmen who encourage charity to groups like the ELF in order to make themselves appear more moderate.