New Terrorist Attacks?

Hard Ball

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"Stratfor, along with many U.S. government sources, has predicted al Qaeda
will attempt an attack within the United States before the presidential
election in November. In our view, the most likely methods of attack would
involve a dirty bomb, chemical attack or Madrid-style train bombing.

For many reasons, Washington remains in al Qaeda's crosshairs: It is filled
with symbolic monuments that are soft targets. Though a strike against the
Washington Monument, for example, would be unlikely to produce sufficiently
high casualty counts for al Qaeda's purposes, rendering the National Mall
radioactive with a dirty bomb would be considered a triumph."
 
I think it will be domestic converts and sympathizers.

DC Sniper or Columbine style.

People seem to forget that there were terrorist attacks in this country SINCE 9/11 but they were all failures and only a few people were killed.
 
They also appear to be overlooking, or at least underestimating many other Domestic Terrorist Organizations.

I don't know about you, but I personally find the increases ELF activity, to be somewhat curious.
 
Well, "they" - whoever they might be - are certainly spoilt for targets. There must have been a million and a half of them sitting there for the last three and a half years; and getting whatever they need into the country can not be any more difficult than the hoards of people, arms and dope crossing our borders. Gosh, sounds like they have a real "challenge" on their hands.
 
LAK,

Will you be satisfied when another 3,000 + Americans die
or will you find some way to wrench another government conspiracy out of such an horrific event?

This is not a game of 'chicken little'!
 
I'm interested in your opinions on whether another terrorist attack would be good or bad for GWs presidential race.

I'm sorry for putting tragic loss of life in terms of political effervesence...but hte reality of the situation is that an attck will have an affect on our presidential elections.

I remember that his approval ratings and the nation's 'unity' were greatest right after the 9/11 attacks and wonder if a future attack would have the same results...or would Americans 'blame' the GW administration?

What do you think?
 
I've been wondering if Al Qaeda might be smart enough to target Republicans instead of Democrats.

What would happen to us if Al Qaeda or some other terrorist network could kill off the entire Republican part of the Governement in New York City and leave the Democrats alone?

Nightmare tin foil hat scenario? I wonder if people realise what modern terrorism is capable of. :eek:
 
I received this email just before reading this thread. I was looking for a place to post it - this thread looks... just right. If it's been posted before - we can use the reminder.

-Andy

(From the Sender): U.S. Navy Captain Ouimette is the Executive Officer at Naval Air Station, Pensacola, Florida. Here is a copy of the speech he gave last month. It is an accurate account of why we are in so much trouble today and why this action is so necessary.

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AMERICA NEEDS TO WAKE UP!

That's what we think we heard on the 11th of September 2001 (When more than 3,000 Americans were killed -AD) and maybe it was, but I think it should have been "Get Out of Bed!". In fact, I think the alarm clock has been buzzing since 1979 and we have continued to hit the snooze button and roll over for a few more minutes of peaceful sleep since then.

It was a cool fall day in November 1979 in a country going through a
religious and political upheaval when a group of Iranian students attacked and seized the American Embassy in Tehran. This seizure was an outright attack on American soil; it was an attack that held the world's most
powerful country hostage and paralyzed a Presidency. The attack on this
sovereign U. S. embassy set the stage for events to follow for the next 25
years.

America was still reeling from the aftermath of the Vietnam experience and had a serious threat from the Soviet Union when then, President Carter, had to do something. He chose to conduct a clandestine raid in the desert. The ill-fated mission ended in ruin, but stood as a symbol of America's inability to deal with terrorism.

America's military had been decimated and down sized/right sized since the end of the Vietnam War. A poorly trained, poorly equipped and poorly organized military was called on to execute a complex mission that was doomed from the start.

Shortly after the Tehran experience, Americans began to be kidnapped and killed throughout the Middle East. America could do little to protect her citizens living and working abroad. The attacks against US soil continued.

In April of 1983 a large vehicle packed with high explosives was driven into the US Embassy compound in Beirut. When it explodes, it kills 63 people. The alarm went off again and America hit the Snooze Button once more.

Then just six short months later a large truck heavily laden down with over 2500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the US Marine Corps headquarters in Beirut and 241 US servicemen are killed. America mourns her dead and hit the Snooze Button once more.

Two months later in December 1983, another truck loaded with explosives is driven into the US Embassy in Kuwait, and America continues her slumber.

The following year, in September 1984, another van was driven into the gate of the US Embassy in Beirut and America slept.

Soon the terrorism spreads to Europe. In April 1985 a bomb explodes in a restaurant frequented by US soldiers in Madrid.

Then in August a Volkswagen loaded with explosives is driven into the main gate of the US Air Force Base at Rhein-Main, 22 are killed and the snooze alarm is buzzing louder and louder as US interests are continually attacked.

Fifty-nine days later a cruise ship, the Achille Lauro is hijacked and we watched as an American in a wheelchair is singled out of the passenger list and executed.

The terrorists then shift their tactics to bombing civilian airliners when they bomb TWA Flight 840 in April of 1986 that killed 4 and the most tragic bombing, Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988, killing 259.

Clinton treated these terrorist acts as crimes; in fact we are still trying to bring these people to trial. These are acts of war.

The wake up alarm is getting louder and louder.

The terrorists decide to bring the fight to America. In January 1993, two CIA agents are shot and killed as they enter CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.

The following month, February 1993, a group of terrorists are arrested after a rented van packed with explosives is driven into the underground parking garage of the World Trade Center in New York City. Six people are killed and over 1000 are injured. Still this is a crime and not an act of war? The Snooze alarm is depressed again.

Then in November 1995 a car bomb explodes at a US military complex in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia killing seven service men and women.

A few months later in June of 1996, another truck bomb explodes only 35 yards from the US military compound in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. It destroys the Khobar Towers, a US Air Force barracks, killing 19 and injuring over 500. The terrorists are getting braver and smarter as they see that America does not respond decisively.

They move to coordinate their attacks in a simultaneous attack on two US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. These attacks were planned with precision. They kill 224. America responds with cruise missile attacks and goes back to sleep.

The USS Cole was docked in the port of Aden, Yemen for refueling on 12 October 2000, when a small craft pulled along side the ship and exploded killing 17 US Navy Sailors. Attacking a US War Ship is an act of war, but we sent the FBI to investigate the crime and went back to sleep.

And of course you know the events of 11 September 2001. Most Americans think this was the first attack against US soil or in America. How wrong they are. America has been under a constant attack since 1979 and we chose to hit the snooze alarm and roll over and go back to sleep.

In the news lately we have seen lots of finger pointing from every high official in government over what they knew and what they didn't know. But if you've read the papers and paid a little attention I think you can see exactly what they knew. You don't have to be in the FBI or CIA or on the National Security Council to see the pattern that has been developing since 1979.

The President is right on when he says we are engaged in a war. I think we have been in a war for the past 25 years and it will continue until we as a people decide enough is enough. America needs to "Get out of Bed" and act decisively now. America has been changed forever. We have to be ready to pay the price and make the sacrifice to ensure our way of life continues. We cannot afford to keep hitting the snooze button again and again and roll over and go back to sleep.

After the attack on Pearl Harbor, Admiral Yamamoto said "... it seems all we have done is awakened a sleeping giant." This is the message we need to disseminate to terrorists around the world.

Support Our Troops and support President Bush for having the courage, political or militarily, to address what so many who preceded him didn't have the backbone to do both Democrat and Republican. This is not a political thing to be hashed over in an election year this is an AMERICAN thing. This is about our Freedom and the Freedom of our children in years to come.

If you believe in this please forward it to as many people as you can especially to the young people and all those who dozed off in history class and who seem so quick to protest such a necessary military action. If you don't believe it, just delete it and go back to sleep.
 
gburner,

I'll be satisfied? Since you seem seem to know so much about me - and my attitude towards the value of human life - let's hear the whole story.

I was being matter of fact. And it is FACT. Why don't you question the values of the people in the responsible positions that have consistantly done practically nothing to address those specific points and change it for three and a half years so that THEY can tell us we are going to take another hit?
 
They don't seem to be much of a threat if they one and only attack on USA was 3 years ago.
This from someone calling Americans ignorant.

Ever heard of the Twin Towers bombing? Khobar towers? East African embassy bombings? U.S.S. Cole perhaps? Feh!

Oh, and welcome to my ignore list.
 
I try to put forward a reasoned argument, so if you want to bind yourself to only one perspective by ignoring me or others go right ahead, after all a forum isn't a place to share ideas, no, no it's a place to reinforce the individuals own rhetoric and making sure that person is blind to everything else; whether right or wrong.

Ever heard of the Twin Towers bombing? Khobar towers? East African embassy bombings? U.S.S. Cole perhaps?
So you are trying to make a handful of events over DECADES seem like a prolonged terrorist attack? Funny how we wern't involved in a 'war on terror' with these incidents, only after a very public 11/9 attack did there suddenly become this terrorist threat. Naturally you can list any number of incidents as a 'build up to war' after the main event. I wonder how many similar incidents there were that were because of 'other causes' but as they wen't tied to the 11/9 attacks, were easily forgotten. Many actions have been commited against America, and other countrys, so unless you want to list every single cause that bombed an embassy or attacked a army base - you will have quite a lot of diferent factions 'at war' with America, it just so happens that the ones you mention, are linked to Al Q and give the false perception that there was a sustained attack on America. If Al Q are such a serious threat, instead of a occasional oppertunist, then how come there arn't daily, weekly, monthly, yearly attacks in America?
 
myopicmouse...

11/9? Hmmm...

A "handful" - again, hmmm...

11/9 Number 2? harumph!...
it just so happens that the ones you mention, are linked to Al Q and give the false perception that there was a sustained attack on America.
...false impression??? WOW!
If Al Q are such a serious threat, instead of a occasional oppertunist, then how come there arn't daily, weekly, monthly, yearly attacks in America?
Let's darn well hope we're doing something right - if there are other attacks, you can bet your bippie that we all will have a radical change of life-style.

I hope that your "reasonable arguement" - for that matter, anyone's reasonable arguement, works.

-Andy
 
11/9? Hmmm...
Day/month/Year - That is how the date is propperly written, I don't swap over to 9/11 just because the American version of writing the date has become synonymous with the attack.

...false impression??? WOW!
Quite right, I should have said impression, two gold stars for you!

Let's darn well hope we're doing something right - if there are other attacks, you can bet your bippie that we all will have a radical change of life-style.
Hopefully not, bit of luck if they decide to only attack America - that way I can live in realitive peace.

I hope that your "reasonable arguement" - for that matter, anyone's reasonable arguement, works

Well a "reasonable argument" works when discussing things with reasonable people, it's hardly going to be much use to some knife weilding nut who wants to make a lantern out of my severed head.
 
myopicmouse...

Forgive me please, I hadn't really examined your handle - I do now understand. :)

11/9 - 9/11... well - you know how it is - we CONUS folks tend to forget that there are others on the great WWW - I forgot. Again, sorry.

ME??? Gold stars?? WOW! I did something right, huh? Thank you, sir (another assumption gone bad if it is really Madame... the net being anonymous and all that).

Be careful out there, myopicmouse - we don't need our TFL brothers and sisters piked and candled as a NAVAID to somebody's gate.

-Andy
 
myopicmouse said:
So you are trying to make a handful of events over DECADES seem like a prolonged terrorist attack?

There have been hundreds, if not thousands, of terrorist attacks against westerners in the past decade. Most, but not all, of these were by radical muslim terrorists. Some were even by radical catholic terrorists possibly in your own back yard. Are you telling me that the IRA was *not* at war for all those years? :confused:

1972 - Munich Olympics
1979 - U.S. hostages in Iran
1983 - U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut
1985 - Achille Lauro
1985 - TWA flight 847
1988 - Pan Am Flight 103
1993 - World Trade Center
1996 - Khobar Towers
1998 - U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania
2000 - U.S.S. Cole
2001 - World Trade Center, Pentagon, Flight 93
2002 - Daniel Pearl
2004 - Nicholas Berg, Paul M. Johnson Jr.
 
TheBluesMan,

Interesting that you bring up the IRA. Considering their resources they sure have had bizarre restraint when it came to soft targets on the Bristish mainland - the home ground of those they were supposedly "at war" with. There have been other developements on this "war" too; like the admissions by the British government that their own "agents" took part in and were responsible for a number of the so-called "terrorist" attacks in Northern Ireland.

On a parallel line, it was the state of Israel - or more accurately their government - that admitted some time back that it was they who started the organization come to be known as "Hamas". And it does stand to reason that there is some manipulative control in these "conflicts". Yessir Arafat only remains alive with the sanction of Israel. He frequently travels in foreign countries, has no right to government protection or armed bodyguards ... yet he still lives after all these years. ;)

If the "arabs" hate the "jews" so much, it is funny that the Rothschild family, who's Baron Edmund is known as "the Father of the Settlements", and other prominents, live unmolested in England and other places. No government protection, no armed body guards, and their estates and property are well-known. Funny how these people lead such charmed lives when the "jew-hating arabs" abound in Britain today, and there is no shortage of arms and explosives for them to have wiped these people out.

Myself, I am not so ready to believe that all those targets on your list were the result of a concerted effort by "radical muslim terrorists".
 
Ironbarr - Ok, lets mellow! :cool:
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TheBluesMan
Are you telling me that the IRA was *not* at war for all those years?
I certianly wouldn't say they were not active for al those years {can't bring myself to justify them by saying *war*}

You list 9 instances for when the IRA would have been operating (13 in all) but IRA instances were near daily, you you are looking at thousands of instances compared to 13 - I mean 13, 'may' just cover a week in the 30years of the troubles. That is the difference in what I believe to be 'sustained'

"1983 - U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut" - That was in responce to when the US sent some troops in to 'oversee' some of the violence - so it could be seen as the US starting that one.

I think 'USS Cole' was for similar reasons.

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LAK:
Interesting that you bring up the IRA. Considering their resources they sure have had bizarre restraint when it came to soft targets on the Bristish mainland - the home ground of those they were supposedly "at war" with. There have been other developements on this "war" too;
I dont understand what you mean there, could you clarify that for me please?

the admissions by the British government that their own "agents" took part in and were responsible for a number of the so-called "terrorist" attacks in Northern Ireland.
After the SAS killed bombers in Gibraltar the republicans screamed bloody murder, apparently you should only arrest killers not kill them - that would be unfair! So what happened on a couple of occasions is that british intelligance leaked info to loyalist paramilitarys (UVF) about IRA members, who were then killed by the UVF. In it's own way, it 'saved' lifes, naturally you don't want to use one paramilitary force to kill the other, but they were left with no other choice, and better that than have these IRA members still operating. All the British were responsible for, was *collusion* not "terrorist" attacks.

Myself, I am not so ready to believe that all those targets on your list were the result of a concerted effort by "radical muslim terrorists".
Yes, I think thats a good point.
 
If the "arabs" hate the "jews" so much, it is funny that the Rothschild family, who's Baron Edmund is known as "the Father of the Settlements", and other prominents, live unmolested in England and other places. No government protection, no armed body guards, and their estates and property are well-known. Funny how these people lead such charmed lives when the "jew-hating arabs" abound in Britain today, and there is no shortage of arms and explosives for them to have wiped these people out.
Back to the "Jews" control the world conspiracy I see. :rolleyes: Gee, and you were so indignant about being called on it in another thread too.
 
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