New Teacher on Gun control OH Boy!
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Ok, no one went this far so I have to. "It is difficult converting a hunting weapon to semi-automatic. You know he's right all of my hunting guns are full auto and it's hell changing them over! I quit trying! What a maroon! The gov. is quick to protect automobiles...... (yeah that's why airbags kill more kids than guns). May the God of his karma protect him from himself! ///////
The scary thing folks, there's a whole bunch of them out there that never studied the constitution, don't have a clue what this country is about and won't because they are a product of our public schools. He will continue to propagate the spawn with his educational excellence. My youngest has 6 more years before she's out. I'm thinking "private school". I'll bet he's got a Gore sticker on his car already!
The scary thing folks, there's a whole bunch of them out there that never studied the constitution, don't have a clue what this country is about and won't because they are a product of our public schools. He will continue to propagate the spawn with his educational excellence. My youngest has 6 more years before she's out. I'm thinking "private school". I'll bet he's got a Gore sticker on his car already!
This guy's gonna be an english teacher! Good grief!
He's had more schooling than I have and he can't figure out the grammatical structure of the 2nd Amendment, can't document his 'sources', and can't come up with a better, more logical argument than that! Sheesh! What a dolt! That doesn't bode well for the education that our kids are getting. No wonder we're raising a nation of idiots.
Yes, an excellent argument for home schooling.
He's had more schooling than I have and he can't figure out the grammatical structure of the 2nd Amendment, can't document his 'sources', and can't come up with a better, more logical argument than that! Sheesh! What a dolt! That doesn't bode well for the education that our kids are getting. No wonder we're raising a nation of idiots.
Yes, an excellent argument for home schooling.
John Hunter
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Don Gwinn:
I hope he's not planning to be an English teacher.
Don't worry about it. Those inner-city kids in Detroit will teach him a better lesson about karma and sentience and the brotherhood of all living things than you or I ever could.[/quote]
Don, Excellent point. This guy reminds me of an old friend that was very anti-gun, had all the arguments down pat as to why no one should need one. Then one day he was mugged in a parking lot. They beat him damn near to death just because he didn't have as much money as they thought he should have. When he finally got out of the hospital he paid me a visit and ask if I could teach him to shoot, and what would be a good pistol to carry.
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John - NRA - Lifer
I hope he's not planning to be an English teacher.
Don't worry about it. Those inner-city kids in Detroit will teach him a better lesson about karma and sentience and the brotherhood of all living things than you or I ever could.[/quote]
Don, Excellent point. This guy reminds me of an old friend that was very anti-gun, had all the arguments down pat as to why no one should need one. Then one day he was mugged in a parking lot. They beat him damn near to death just because he didn't have as much money as they thought he should have. When he finally got out of the hospital he paid me a visit and ask if I could teach him to shoot, and what would be a good pistol to carry.
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John - NRA - Lifer
Actually, I don't think he's going to teach English. Somebody already said it better than I can above--to make a genuine effort to correct this whole thing fully would result in a much longer piece than the original. Believe me, I know. I attempted to do it by reading the article aloud to my wife and correcting as I went along, and it damn near got me whacked.
MP Freeman
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My response,
Point #1: Barf.
Point #2: Barf.
Point #3: Barf.
Point #4: Dry heeve.
I guess that's all there is to say.
Point #1: Barf.
Point #2: Barf.
Point #3: Barf.
Point #4: Dry heeve.
I guess that's all there is to say.
I taught public school for a handful of years. This type of mindset is one of the many reasons I left teaching. Reading this essay made my stomach turn and brought back some unpleasant memories.
Didn't you just love his treatise on the Second Amendment? The part about "being necessary for a free state"....why can't these bleeding heart liberals see that this phrase doesn't solely refer to enemies ABROAD? "We don't have to fight the British anymore." This guy, and a disappointing number of Americans, just don't get it. Our founding fathers knew what an oppressive government is capable of. I dare propose that they had this in mind when they crafted the Second Amendment (and all the rest of the BOR too) which acknowledged our inalienable rights. There are a lot of people running around this country that just can't see our government in this light. This just baffles and bewilders me. After eight years of Clinton-Gore these people must be strolling through life with a paper bag over their heads.
One last comment, if this guy is heading to inner-city Detroit, I'd love to be a fly on the wall in his classroom. Also, my heart goes out to his supervising teacher. It's hard to sit back and watch others screw up. If this guy survives, the learning curve will be Mt. Everest steep.
Didn't you just love his treatise on the Second Amendment? The part about "being necessary for a free state"....why can't these bleeding heart liberals see that this phrase doesn't solely refer to enemies ABROAD? "We don't have to fight the British anymore." This guy, and a disappointing number of Americans, just don't get it. Our founding fathers knew what an oppressive government is capable of. I dare propose that they had this in mind when they crafted the Second Amendment (and all the rest of the BOR too) which acknowledged our inalienable rights. There are a lot of people running around this country that just can't see our government in this light. This just baffles and bewilders me. After eight years of Clinton-Gore these people must be strolling through life with a paper bag over their heads.
One last comment, if this guy is heading to inner-city Detroit, I'd love to be a fly on the wall in his classroom. Also, my heart goes out to his supervising teacher. It's hard to sit back and watch others screw up. If this guy survives, the learning curve will be Mt. Everest steep.
I'm with Mike Irwin. This guy needs a dose of reality. Once he get's butt-raped by some gangsta's, he'll be campaigning vigorously for more liberal carry laws.
Do I wish this upon him? No.
Do I wish he'd shut up? Yes.
Maybe someone could mail him a copy of "More guns, less crime".
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Do I wish this upon him? No.
Do I wish he'd shut up? Yes.
Maybe someone could mail him a copy of "More guns, less crime".
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Most hunting rifles are also difficult to equip with semi-automatic features -- I know this because I spent 18 years in a small town that takes pride in hunting.
I used to hunt but am no longer an advocate of the sport. However, if people want to spend their free time killing sentient beings besides humans, it is between them and their karma.
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His extensive knowledge of firearms design & usage is evident.
Hunting experience ? Maybe he thinks that's what he was doing when some good old boys gave him a sharp stick and took him on a "snipe hunt" at summer camp.
I used to hunt but am no longer an advocate of the sport. However, if people want to spend their free time killing sentient beings besides humans, it is between them and their karma.
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His extensive knowledge of firearms design & usage is evident.
Hunting experience ? Maybe he thinks that's what he was doing when some good old boys gave him a sharp stick and took him on a "snipe hunt" at summer camp.
TheBluesMan
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You go, Mikul! 
My Reply:
This letter is in response to Chris Hansen's article titled: "Second Amendment poorly written, needs revisions"
This article is so full of false statements and poorly formed logic that it should be titled: "Article poorly written, needs revisions."
Mr. Hansen's first assertion is "...children will think violence is an acceptable way of dealing with problems if they see their teachers carrying guns." When someone attacks you violently, the only way to defend yourself is with violence. How would Mr. Hansen handle a Columbine-type situation in his school? From his words, it seems he finds it morally superior to run from the building screaming while his students are murdered than to carry a gun and stop the massacre. Maybe his students would see a teacher who takes responsibility and is there to protect them, or if he were carrying his gun properly, they might see nothing at all.
He later states that, "Handguns are responsible for thousands of homicides every year." I am sure that your readers will find it interesting that inanimate objects now have responsibility.
Mr. Hansen contradicts himself within two sentences when he states, "First of all, people that feel they need handguns for safety are not mentally stable and are putting others in danger. The chances of being a victim of homicide in the United States are still more than a ratio of 100,000-to-1." Mr. Hansen feels that anyone carrying a gun for protection is paranoid, but that his need to disarm everyone to protect him from being murdered is not paranoid.
Mr. Hansen displays his ability to make unfounded and illogical statments by saying, "Worst of all is the fact that this paranoia breeds more criminals. A person that purchases a handgun for protection may become so paranoid that they'll become a criminal." Has this EVER happened? Has a perfectly happy father of four with a house in the country ever bought a gun and suddenly decided to turn it all in for a life of armed robbery and crack dealing? Where does Mr. Hansen get this crap?
Mr. Hansen's lack of attention in history class is showcased in this statement: "[the second amendment]...was written more than 200 years ago when the United States did not have a formal army and needed militias to fight the British. We no longer have to fear the redcoats, people. The United States has a very modern defense system. It is no longer necessary for normal citizens to bear arms in order to create spontaneous military defense." Actually, the United States DID have a formal army. That's exactly who the redcoats were. The colonies belonged to Britain the way that Hawaii belongs to the United States. Our founding fathers used their personal weapons to attack the offical, formal army of the day and create our country, and they left the second amendment to us in case we had to do the same thing one day.
Further lies are introduced here: "Most hunting rifles are also difficult to equip with semi-automatic features -- I know this because I spent 18 years in a small town that takes pride in hunting." Most hunting rifles ARE semi-automatic, just like handguns. Those that are not semi-automatic are single shot rifles. Semi-automatic means that only one bullet leaves the gun every time you pull the trigger, but that it makes another one ready to fire when the trigger is pulled again. The other rifles require you to manually put another round into the gun, or for you to work the mechanism manually before you can shoot another round. If Mr. Hansen was trying to make reference to machine guns with fully-automatic firing, he failed miserably. Handguns are not easily converted to fully-automatic and almost never are because their small size makes them almost impossible to control when used like that. Whatever point he was trying to make appears to have gotten lost while he was busy making up facts.
Flying in the face of documented fact, Mr. Hansen states that "The Brady Bill's background check and our outstanding economy have combined to bring homicide by firearms down 32 percent since 1993." A recent study in the Journal of the American Medical Association concluded that "...the Brady law had no effect on firearm homicide and suicide rates in states that previously had no handgun controls." Combine that with the fact that gun homicides have been dropping since 1991; two years BEFORE Brady was enacted, and I wonder if anything in this article is true.
It seems that the editor was particularly lax when he allowed an article rife with lies and unfounded accusations to go to print.
Ahhh, I enjoyed that.
This letter is in response to Chris Hansen's article titled: "Second Amendment poorly written, needs revisions"
This article is so full of false statements and poorly formed logic that it should be titled: "Article poorly written, needs revisions."
Mr. Hansen's first assertion is "...children will think violence is an acceptable way of dealing with problems if they see their teachers carrying guns." When someone attacks you violently, the only way to defend yourself is with violence. How would Mr. Hansen handle a Columbine-type situation in his school? From his words, it seems he finds it morally superior to run from the building screaming while his students are murdered than to carry a gun and stop the massacre. Maybe his students would see a teacher who takes responsibility and is there to protect them, or if he were carrying his gun properly, they might see nothing at all.
He later states that, "Handguns are responsible for thousands of homicides every year." I am sure that your readers will find it interesting that inanimate objects now have responsibility.
Mr. Hansen contradicts himself within two sentences when he states, "First of all, people that feel they need handguns for safety are not mentally stable and are putting others in danger. The chances of being a victim of homicide in the United States are still more than a ratio of 100,000-to-1." Mr. Hansen feels that anyone carrying a gun for protection is paranoid, but that his need to disarm everyone to protect him from being murdered is not paranoid.
Mr. Hansen displays his ability to make unfounded and illogical statments by saying, "Worst of all is the fact that this paranoia breeds more criminals. A person that purchases a handgun for protection may become so paranoid that they'll become a criminal." Has this EVER happened? Has a perfectly happy father of four with a house in the country ever bought a gun and suddenly decided to turn it all in for a life of armed robbery and crack dealing? Where does Mr. Hansen get this crap?
Mr. Hansen's lack of attention in history class is showcased in this statement: "[the second amendment]...was written more than 200 years ago when the United States did not have a formal army and needed militias to fight the British. We no longer have to fear the redcoats, people. The United States has a very modern defense system. It is no longer necessary for normal citizens to bear arms in order to create spontaneous military defense." Actually, the United States DID have a formal army. That's exactly who the redcoats were. The colonies belonged to Britain the way that Hawaii belongs to the United States. Our founding fathers used their personal weapons to attack the offical, formal army of the day and create our country, and they left the second amendment to us in case we had to do the same thing one day.
Further lies are introduced here: "Most hunting rifles are also difficult to equip with semi-automatic features -- I know this because I spent 18 years in a small town that takes pride in hunting." Most hunting rifles ARE semi-automatic, just like handguns. Those that are not semi-automatic are single shot rifles. Semi-automatic means that only one bullet leaves the gun every time you pull the trigger, but that it makes another one ready to fire when the trigger is pulled again. The other rifles require you to manually put another round into the gun, or for you to work the mechanism manually before you can shoot another round. If Mr. Hansen was trying to make reference to machine guns with fully-automatic firing, he failed miserably. Handguns are not easily converted to fully-automatic and almost never are because their small size makes them almost impossible to control when used like that. Whatever point he was trying to make appears to have gotten lost while he was busy making up facts.
Flying in the face of documented fact, Mr. Hansen states that "The Brady Bill's background check and our outstanding economy have combined to bring homicide by firearms down 32 percent since 1993." A recent study in the Journal of the American Medical Association concluded that "...the Brady law had no effect on firearm homicide and suicide rates in states that previously had no handgun controls." Combine that with the fact that gun homicides have been dropping since 1991; two years BEFORE Brady was enacted, and I wonder if anything in this article is true.
It seems that the editor was particularly lax when he allowed an article rife with lies and unfounded accusations to go to print.
Ahhh, I enjoyed that.
"DOD was sending Minnesota NG to Central America, and the Minnesota governor objected, on the grounds of their being a STATE militia."
Yes, that was the Pepich case. The court ruled that Pepich could not keep his NG from leaving the country, hence, it really wasn't his NG (created in 1903 under the Dick Act), or militia.
Now, if you consult your Constitution you will see the purpose of the militia. Three things. To suppress insurrections, enforce the law, and to repel invaders.
All of these things are done from within the borders of the USA. That is partly why the NG was created, so as to have more control over the reserve military or organized militia of USC Title 10 fame. (of which the unorganized militia is not a part).
The unorganized militia could not be sent on a whim, but the organized militia could be.
Imagine, if the 2A was, as the antis say, to ensure that the states had a military force to protect itself from the federal government, isn't it odd that the federal government can in effect disarm a state by merely sending the NG to Honduras?
We have a conundrum. Or, the antis do.
Rick
Yes, that was the Pepich case. The court ruled that Pepich could not keep his NG from leaving the country, hence, it really wasn't his NG (created in 1903 under the Dick Act), or militia.
Now, if you consult your Constitution you will see the purpose of the militia. Three things. To suppress insurrections, enforce the law, and to repel invaders.
All of these things are done from within the borders of the USA. That is partly why the NG was created, so as to have more control over the reserve military or organized militia of USC Title 10 fame. (of which the unorganized militia is not a part).
The unorganized militia could not be sent on a whim, but the organized militia could be.
Imagine, if the 2A was, as the antis say, to ensure that the states had a military force to protect itself from the federal government, isn't it odd that the federal government can in effect disarm a state by merely sending the NG to Honduras?
We have a conundrum. Or, the antis do.
Rick
Mike in VA
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Idiot.
I really must stop frequenting sites like TFL and others where this stuff is posted. It will cause my early demise.
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"Anyone feel like saluting the flag which the strutting ATF and FBI gleefully raised over the smoldering crematorium of Waco, back in April of ‘93?" -Vin Suprynowicz
WilliePete
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I teach in an inter-city high school. When we talk about the Bill of Rights, I tell my students that the 2nd Amendment is an individual RKBA.
It's sad that we are getting teachers like Chris. I'm sure that his history teacher at MSU either never talked much about the 2nd Amendment or just repeated HCI views.
As for teachers having guns in school, I would not wanting some of the teachers in my school carring a pistol. They have a hard enough time trying to keep track of their keys. However I would like the option available for teachers and administrators.
It's sad that we are getting teachers like Chris. I'm sure that his history teacher at MSU either never talked much about the 2nd Amendment or just repeated HCI views.
As for teachers having guns in school, I would not wanting some of the teachers in my school carring a pistol. They have a hard enough time trying to keep track of their keys. However I would like the option available for teachers and administrators.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>WESHOOT2
WESnot bees a whiner and this is SADtire, teacher should have studied history then they might have learned something from the past. If they had more experience in life instead of a head of mush and a piece of paper.Originally posted by WESHOOT2:
All you whiners don't get it.
The letter is satire, obviously written by someone with a fantastic sense of comic timing.
Right?
(oh please tell me I'm right...)
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WESnot bees a whiner and this is SADtire, teacher should have studied history then they might have learned something from the past. If they had more experience in life instead of a head of mush and a piece of paper.Originally posted by WESHOOT2:
All you whiners don't get it.
The letter is satire, obviously written by someone with a fantastic sense of comic timing.
Right?
(oh please tell me I'm right...)
[/quote]
Robert Foote
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Spent two years at MSU, graduating in '65. Unlike some people, I did not parlay my student deferment into law school, grad school or get my girl friend pregnant asap so I could be a father. Consequently I had no trouble at all getting my first 'job' with my Uncle.
My first act upon arrival there was to find a gunshop just off campus; bought an original Navy Colt and kept it in my room all semester till I went home. I thereafter always had some firearm on hand, either in the dorm or in my off-campus apartment. I don't recall any knee-jerk violence on my part.
Unfortunately this little twit is fairly typical. I raised my son to be a helluva lot smarter.
BTW, didn't bother to go to graduation, have never been back to MSU, and made them take me off their alumni mailing list.
Just fired off an e-mail to the editor of the rag on principle. May as well make them squirm a little...
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My first act upon arrival there was to find a gunshop just off campus; bought an original Navy Colt and kept it in my room all semester till I went home. I thereafter always had some firearm on hand, either in the dorm or in my off-campus apartment. I don't recall any knee-jerk violence on my part.
Unfortunately this little twit is fairly typical. I raised my son to be a helluva lot smarter.
BTW, didn't bother to go to graduation, have never been back to MSU, and made them take me off their alumni mailing list.
Just fired off an e-mail to the editor of the rag on principle. May as well make them squirm a little...
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