New Teacher on Gun control OH Boy!

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COLUMN: Second Amendment poorly written, needs revisions
Updated 12:00 PM ET August 3, 2000

By Chris Hansen
The State News
Michigan State U.


(U-WIRE) EAST LANSING, Mich. -- I'll begin student teaching in an inner-city school in one month. Some obdurate pro-gun people are suggesting that I purchase a handgun for protection.

It is unfortunate that they refuse to realize children will think violence is an acceptable way of dealing with problems if they see their teachers carrying guns. The presentation of suggestive tokens of violence, such as handguns through real life, television or movies, leads to actual violence and ultimately, death.

I long for the day when pro-gun people realize "an eye for an eye" way of life will make everyone blind.

I'm surprised that pro-gun advocates don't recognize handguns as instruments of death. Handguns are responsible for thousands of homicides every year.

The U.S. government is generally quick to protect decent drivers from defective vehicles by taking vehicles off the buying market or at least fixing their defects. It is time for the U.S. government to protect the lives of all citizens by taking guns out of the hands of people that contain an undisclosed amount of paranoia that makes them think they need to carry a handgun to feel safe.

I question the sanity of anyone who thinks they need a handgun to feel safe. In fact, many pro-gun people may feel uneasy or even enraged because of what they have read thus far. Before reading on, please recognize that there is no "handgun" in the NRA acronym. In the following paragraphs I will not try to stimulate emotions simply to make people angry. I will present a common-sense argument regarding the need to restrict the distribution of handguns.

First of all, people that feel they need handguns for safety are not mentally stable and are putting others in danger.

The chances of being a victim of homicide in the United States are still more than a ratio of 100,000-to-1. In the rare occurrence that a stranger robs a person at gunpoint, the victim is more likely to die from a gunshot if they antagonize their attacker, by showing the attacker their own handgun.

The same feelings of paranoia that caused the victim to buy a handgun in the first place are now occurring in the attacker. The attacker then shoots the victim instead of merely robbing him or her. So much for added "protection."

Worst of all is the fact that this paranoia breeds more criminals. A person that purchases a handgun for protection may become so paranoid that they'll become a criminal. Almost two-thirds of felony weapons violators had no prior criminal history before they purchased a gun. The servile battle cry of "guns don?t kill people, people kill people" is completely false. Most people wouldn't know the first thing about killing others if they had to kill without a gun.

The Second Amendment says, "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." This poorly written amendment regarding "the right to bear arms" was written more than 200 years ago when the United States did not have a formal army and needed militias to fight the British. We no longer have to fear the redcoats, people. The United States has a very modern defense system. It is no longer necessary for normal citizens to bear arms in order to create spontaneous military defense.

Some people feel they need handguns to protect themselves from a government takeover. A .44-caliber Magnum and a shack full of other guns is no match for a ballistic missile. Face it, if the government wants to take you over or kill you, it will.

Letting anyone bear and sell arms only creates more gun-wielding maniacs. The Second Amendment needs to be changed so that it only gives people the right to bear hunting rifles. These rifles should only be available through registered gun dealers.

It is very difficult to conceal a hunting rifle. Most hunting rifles are also difficult to equip with semi-automatic features -- I know this because I spent 18 years in a small town that takes pride in hunting.

I used to hunt but am no longer an advocate of the sport. However, if people want to spend their free time killing sentient beings besides humans, it is between them and their karma.

We live in a free country where people can do whatever they want as long as it doesn't threaten the lives of others. Letting people own instruments of death such as handguns is a threat to the freedom of all Americans. The Brady Bill's background check and our outstanding economy have combined to bring homicide by firearms down 32 percent since 1993. This is a good start. Child safety trigger locks and more extensive background checks are essential and completely rational.

The majority of Americans are not walking around with guns because we don't have to and don't want to. In order to create a safer America, we must realize that "guns don't die, people do."

That's exactly what I plan to teach my students.

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Geoff Ross

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Assuming the original article wasn't simply designed to push all the "hot buttons" of those who support RKBA, I was struck by the following phrase in regard to hunting:

"...if people want to spend their free time killing sentient beings besides humans, it is between them and their karma."

This sounds like some sort of New Age or Trekkie pseudo-religious psychobabble. (Star Trek always went on about "sentient" beings.)
I wonder if he uses these religious terms in talking to his students...in a PUBLIC school?
(And he plans on teaching his views to his students . . . as part of what approved curriculum?)

Also, as far as the psychology of this editorial is concerned, the writer seems to think that gun possession causes otherwise normal people to become maniacs. This is called transferrence; essentially, this person is unstable, so he thinks everyone else is, too. (Unless, as I mentioned at the outset, this is deliberately designed to provoke a hasty response, so the editor of the paper can pick out a letter from some inarticulate "Archie Bunker" type to print as a response.)
 
Ahh, another budding Marxist in charge of our young....

I'll begin student teaching in an inner-city school in one month. Some obdurate
pro-gun people are suggesting that I purchase a handgun for protection.

It is unfortunate that they refuse to realize children will think violence is an acceptable way of dealing with problems if they see their teachers carrying guns.


If I understand this "person" correctly, if he had a gun, he'd be showing it to his students, or waving it around, as a "demonstration"? How typical of the anti's. They don't feel that they can control themselves if they have that much personal power, and assume that all others are as weak-willed as they.

We live in a free country where people can do whatever they want as long as it doesn't threaten the lives of others. Letting people own instruments of death such as handguns is a threat to the freedom of all Americans.

But I guess it's okay for the CRIMINALS to have them. I dunno, because the fool certainly takes great pains NOT to address that issue.

This guy is destined to go far in the NEA. Glad that he'll never get his hands on MY kids....

[This message has been edited by Dennis Olson (edited August 07, 2000).]
 
"Most hunting rifles are also difficult to equip with semi-automatic features -- I know this because I spent 18 years in a small town that takes pride in hunting." Don't even try to explain it to me, I don't care. John
 
I hope he's not planning to be an English teacher.
Boy, would this guy hate student-teaching under me! Don't worry about it. Those inner-city kids in Detroit will teach him a better lesson about karma and sentience and the brotherhood of all living things than you or I ever could.
Dear lord, please let this guy teach math. His grammar was about on par with the average AP article, but not up to par for an English teacher IMHO.
 
Interesting that a person who would take the time to look up "obdurate" in his thesaurus would also pen the phrase "Handguns are responsible for thousands of homicides every year."

Those darn, stubborn, inanimate objects.

Rick


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"Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American." Tench Coxe 2/20/1788
 
It is unfortunate that they refuse to realize children will think violence is an acceptable way of dealing with problems if they see their teachers carrying guns.

Yep...so walk around with the gun in hand or sticking out from under you fat belly.

I'm surprised that pro-gun advocates don't recognize handguns as instruments of death.
Handguns are responsible for thousands of homicides every year.


So are knives and baseball bats...let's ban them too. then w should ban rocks as well.

It is time for the U.S. government to protect the lives of all citizens by taking guns out of the hands of people that contain an undisclosed amount of paranoia that makes them think they need to carry a handgun to feel safe.[/i]

Simce it's undisclosed...is it just that someone wants a handgun? What about people that wear seatbelts and have airbags? Smoke detectors? Burgler alarms? I'm mean-if wanting to feel safe and have security is paranoid????

First of all, people that feel they need handguns for safety are not mentally stable and are putting others in danger.

Wow...Hey, Secret Service guys and LEO's...You're mentally unstable! Welcome to da' club! ;)


the victim is more likely to die from a gunshot if they antagonize their attacker, by showing the attacker their own handgun.

"Hi Goblin! Niiiice snubbie! Wanna see my Glock? Here, take a look, want me to show you how to operate it since I know you're gonna want to buy your own after you rob me!" ~doh~


Worst of all is the fact that this paranoia breeds more criminals. A person that purchases a handgun for protection may become so paranoid that they'll become a criminal. Almost two-thirds of felony weapons violators had no prior criminal history before they purchased a gun. The servile battle cry of "guns don?t kill people, people kill people" is completely false. Most people wouldn't know the first thing about killing others if they had to kill without a gun.

Umm...ok...so back before guns no one killed each other? And since I own a gun...I'm going to become a murderer or something, right?

The Second Amendment says, "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of
a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." This
poorly written amendment regarding "the right to bear arms" was written more than 200
years ago when the United States did not have a formal army and needed militias to fight
the British. We no longer have to fear the redcoats, people. The United States has a very modern defense system. It is no longer necessary for normal citizens to bear arms in order to create spontaneous military defense.


Well, he's partially right...no probs with the Brits since we whipped their butts...still got concerns with the 'Reds'...and isn't there something in the Constitution about "being well armed keeps against Govmnt tyranny'? Or am I missing part of something?

Some people feel they need handguns to protect themselves from a government
takeover. A .44-caliber Magnum and a shack full of other guns is no match for a ballistic missile. Face it, if the government wants to take you over or kill you, it will.


Well, he was right about something...I'll give him a minus3 for intelligence.

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[This message has been edited by Satanta (edited August 07, 2000).]
 
Jeez, what a teletubby. I have to go scream now. It's OK, I own a gun, it's expected of me to be "mentally unstable".

When will the ignorance stop?
 
Santanta,
I don't think he even got that right, Yes, anytime it wants "the government" can kill you, but if you are armed they will not be able to "take you over", herd you into a cattle car, march you into those "special showers, or make you dig your own grave.
 
This is what Orwell referred to as "DUCKSPEAK" in his brilliant masterpiece "1984."

Duckspeak is the mindless mouthing of the party line without any conscious thought, like the quacking of a duck. Listen to any bureaucrat (I won't pick on any particular politician, because 99 44/100 % of them all do it) and all you hear is duckspeak.

It can hardly suprise anyone to hear a "public" school teacher quacking away -- it is the goal of the government school monopoly that children be rendered unable to engage their brains or exercise rational thought processes. The ultimate goal is to have an entire nation of duckspeakers quacking the socialist agenda on cue.

"Quack quack. Just keep feeding us leftover bits of stale bread and we'll remain easily controllable. Quack quack."

If you haven't read "1984" in the last two years or so, do yourself a favor and reread it.
 
I stopped reading at this point:

"First of all, people that feel they need handguns for safety are not mentally stable
and are putting others in danger. The chances of being a victim of homicide in the United States are still more than a ratio of 100,000-to-1."

Now I see. We don't need guns because the chances of us being killed by another person are pretty small, but he needs to disarm us because he's afaid of being murdered. It's all so clear now.

Wait, there's more...

The chances of getting polio are tiny, so we should get rid of the polio vaccines. The chances of the United States being invaded by another country are almost zero, so we shouldn't spend money on the military. I have never been out of work in my life, so there is no need for me to save money in a bank.

There is so much wrong with this line of reasoning that a proper critique of it would be 5x longer than the original article.

Can we contact this gel-brain or his editor?
 
Wow! Talk about spouting the party line...
Did HCI write this article for him, or is he that brain washed? Notice that once again, hunting rifles are OK? "We're not unreasonable. We don't want take away ALL your 2nd amendment rights. Why, you can keep the hunting rifle, as long is it isn't one of those SNIPER type, with the bolt action, and scope". I just can't believe these "Mush Brains" are actually teaching children. There ought to be a law....
 
I'm glad Chris Hansen isn't a TFL member ... this has to be some of the most moronic drivel I've ever seen regarding 'gun control'. Many TFL'ers have listed some of most moronic passages above.

Really ... TFL should have a rogue's gallery of such drivel.

The idea that this human being is about to go into the world to teach children is absolutely frightening. The children they teach are in trouble, but the NEA / union will receive a helpful drone.

Geoff, do you know of any way to send a letter to the editor of this rag? For that matter, I've got to believe that this drivel will generate a torrent of rebuttal. I do hope you can publish some of it here so that we can reestablish a little faith in the intellectual depth at Michigan State U.

Live and let live. Regards from AZ
 
There’s a rebuttal (of sorts) to the original article in today’s edition of the online paper Amendment given too much credit

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>While I agree with Chris Hansen that we should regulate firearms more effectively ("Second Amendment poorly written, needs revisions," SN 8/3), I think that he gives the Second Amendment more credit than it deserves. He writes, "The Second Amendment needs to be changed so that it only gives people the right to bear hunting rifles." In reality, the Second Amendment has never served as an obstacle to gun control, and in no way does it guarantee a private citizen the right to own any kind of firearm.

At least three different times this century, the Supreme Court has ruled that the Second Amendment provides for a well regulated militia necessary to the security of the free state. This has nothing to do with Joe Bob and his Smith and Wesson. In United States vs. Miller (1939) the Court ruled that the "obvious purpose" of the Second Amendment was to insure the effectiveness of state militia forces; that landmark decision has been under-publicized.

In two other Supreme Court rulings since the 1960s, it has been determined that the National Guard is, in fact, our modern day "militia." So one would be very hard-pressed to find a federal judge who would interpret the Second Amendment as a guarantee for gun ownership. In 1991, former Chief Justice Warren E. Burger called the pro-gun spin of the Second Amendment "calculated disinformation circulated by special interest groups." Speaking of special interest groups, the NRA has been an important source of this fallacious constitutional argument. On a monument in front of its headquarters, it only quotes the half of the Second Amendment they want to hear: "É(sic) the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

Dan Nappo
Spanish graduate student[/quote]

What the hell are they teaching these kids up there at MSU?

I’m embarrassed to see that I share the same name as the editor-in-chief of this rag, you can contact David Miller, Editor in Chief at editorinchief@statenews.com The opinion editor is Dan Austin, you can email him at: opinion@statenews.com


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RKBA!
"The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security"
Ohio Constitution, Article I, Section 4
Concealed Carry is illegal in Ohio.
Ohioans for Concealed Carry Website

[This message has been edited by TheBluesMan (edited August 07, 2000).]
 
That's what they taught me about Miller v. U.S. in law school, that it says that there is no individual right, but it's total crap. Once I went back and read the case for myself I found it held just the opposite. It says that since no one had offered any proof that a sawed-off shotgun was an appropriate militia weapon, there was no right to own it. Well, that obviously means that if there was such proof, there would be a right to own it.

Mikul - great comment on picking up his contradiction. He essentially says "It's actually very safe, so you don't need a gun; you should have to give up your gun because it's so unsafe for you to have one."
 
Another sheep for the slaughter.

Anyone want to place a bet on how quickly the newbie is either mugged, murdered, assaulted, or raped by his/her students?

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Chances are he knows how to use it.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheBluesMan:

...In two other Supreme Court rulings since the 1960s, it has been determined that the National Guard is, in fact, our modern day "militia." ...

Dan Nappo
Spanish graduate student

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Interesting comment. I'm relying on memory now and I'm not an attorney, so I'm necessarily paraphrasing, but I thought about 1990 in the case of "Minnesota Gov. Rudy Perpich vs. Department of Defense" the SCOTUS ruled that since the NG are federally funded and subject to federal callup, they do NOT comprise the constitutional militia? (DOD was sending Minnesota NG to Central America, and the Minnesota governor objected, on the grounds of their being a STATE militia. He lost. They went.)

And whereas the 2nd was written and adopted in the late 18th century, wasn't today's NG created in the early 20th century? If so, how could a document written back then apply ONLY to an organization that wouldn't exist for over a century?
 
What a reeking pile of mindless excrement. I fear greatly for both young people and academia, if he is a byproduct of the latter.

re "The U.S. government is generally quick to protect decent drivers from defective vehicles by taking vehicles off the buying market or at least fixing their defects."

Typical illogical statement. It is drivers (substitute: gun misusers), not vehicles (or guns), who are responsible for the overwhelming majority of accidents and deaths. There is nothing defective in the operation of any quality firearms: you pull the trigger, it goes BANG.

Worst of all is the fact that this paranoia breeds more criminals. A person that purchases a handgun for protection may become so paranoid that they'll become a criminal. Almost two-thirds of felony weapons violators had no prior criminal history before they purchased a gun...Most people wouldn't know the first thing about killing others if they had to kill without a gun.

This idiots clear expertise as a clinical psychologist/psychiatrist is showing. Not.

I had no idea that the mere presence of an inanimate object was so powerful. If you listen vewy cawefuwwy, can you hear those Colts talking to you in the gun store, whispering "Kill him... you know you want to...just do it.KILL HIM!"

The fact is, according to US BJS stats, something like 70% of all murderers had prior multiple felony arrests and convictions. They are not they average person next door, unless you live in a gang infested 'hood. And of course, his ignorant statment of "Almost two-thirds of felony weapons violators had no prior criminal history before they purchased a gun".... it's difficult to commit a firearms felony WITHOUT a gun, isn't it?

I second the motion for school vouchers. I can't wait 'til my kid gets in school. The teacher who spews vomitus like this will get a "talkin' to".



[This message has been edited by Covert Mission (edited August 07, 2000).]
 
I know it's preaching to the choir but I can't resist putting my two cents in, especially since I've been hearing the "2nd ammendment is obsolete" from fellow gun owners (subject for another thread).
There WAS a formal army when the ammendment was written, it was the British army. If the colonists hadn't owned thier own guns they couldn't have won independence.
I don't know where this idiot gets the data that if you don't resist you will not be hurt. Sounds a lot like blaming the victime to me. I'd like to see him take this argument to a NOW rally and tell them that the rape victims wouldn't have gotten beaten up so bad, if only they hadn't upset thier attacters by agravating them! We wouldn't have to worry about the effects of his teaching cause them angry women would take care of him. I live in Sav GA and in just this year we've had somewhere around 30 murders now. A couple were tourists that did not resist robbery and got shot and killed anyway. Many were stabbings. One BG followed a women to her home where her husband let her in and held the door shut only to be shot through the door. The rest were project killings. Young blacks killing other young blacks.
Obviously dip@@@@ doesn't know anything about guns or he wouldn't be going around suggestion someone protect themselves with their deer rifle.
I don't think after his first couple years of inner city teaching he will be around to spout his nonsense. He either will come to his senses or simply not be around.
 
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