New sign on bank one doors
- Thread starter beemerb
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If that law about carrying into banks was true I'd be in the slammer long ago.
I always carry into my bank, most of the time it is openly.
There are some looks, but by far the best experience was when a customer of mine who enjoys shooting and hunting saw me in line and saw the gun on my hip:
"Hey, John!"
"Hi, Mike!"
"What kind of gun is that?" (He was a few people away from me. He's kind of loud when he talks anyway!
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The conversation continued while we waited in line. It was put on hold while we took care of our transactions, and then resumed there in the lobby for about 10 more minutes.
I have to admit that I was a bit self-conscious about it (you know, "I'm a gun owner, therefore I am a lower member of society" programing), but he seemed to be giving no thought to who heard him or what they thought. I admire him for that!
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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!
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I always carry into my bank, most of the time it is openly.
There are some looks, but by far the best experience was when a customer of mine who enjoys shooting and hunting saw me in line and saw the gun on my hip:
"Hey, John!"
"Hi, Mike!"
"What kind of gun is that?" (He was a few people away from me. He's kind of loud when he talks anyway!
)The conversation continued while we waited in line. It was put on hold while we took care of our transactions, and then resumed there in the lobby for about 10 more minutes.
I have to admit that I was a bit self-conscious about it (you know, "I'm a gun owner, therefore I am a lower member of society" programing), but he seemed to be giving no thought to who heard him or what they thought. I admire him for that!
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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!
www.cphv.com
Wells Fargo in Prescott allso put a sign up.Check the sundog shooters page. http://www.sundog-shooters.com/
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beemerb
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beemerb
We have a criminal jury system which is superior to any in the world;
and its efficiency is only marred by the difficulty of finding twelve men
every day who don't know anything and can't read.
-Mark Twain
FYI..
The Navy Federal MSCs in the Hampton Roads areas all have the 'please rod this bank sign'.
I usually disregard, since I could give a rusty you-know=what about their sign. I haven't had a chance to go to the manager and say, "Why did you make it so easy to rob this place and are you gonna protect me" speech yet.
TR
The Navy Federal MSCs in the Hampton Roads areas all have the 'please rod this bank sign'.
I usually disregard, since I could give a rusty you-know=what about their sign. I haven't had a chance to go to the manager and say, "Why did you make it so easy to rob this place and are you gonna protect me" speech yet.
TR
Why not make stickers that you can place above these signs.
"Please rob me. This location is gun free!"
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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!
www.cphv.com
"Please rob me. This location is gun free!"
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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!
www.cphv.com
I heard the same thing about CCW in a FDIC insured bank. I never carry in. We have had such a rash of robberies, most of the banks have off duty policemen on watch.
Where do we find out about this law, real or imagined?
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"I learned a thing or two from Charlie,don't you know. You better stay away from Copperhead Road" Steve Earle
Where do we find out about this law, real or imagined?
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"I learned a thing or two from Charlie,don't you know. You better stay away from Copperhead Road" Steve Earle
Maybe this link will help answer some of your
guestions. http://www.packing.org
guestions. http://www.packing.org
Unfortunately, what it will take to change this is another "Luby's". The survivors/next-of-kin will have to sue the offending store/bank/whatever for neglegance,or violation of civil rights. The amount of damages should be in the billions of dollars, just to get the point across. Maybe then they will learn.
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BOYCOTT SMITH AND WESSON!!!
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BOYCOTT SMITH AND WESSON!!!
Defend the Constitution from the foreign threat!!!!
Desertscout
New member
I bank at Wells Fargo(not Loomis) here in NM and there has been no such sign put up yet. I carry openly into the bank everytime I go in which at least once a week.
There is NO Federal law prohibiting carrying an otherwise legal handgun in a bank. There WAS a law prohibiting carry in bank that was Federally INSURED but it was repealed back in '72 or '74. There may, however, be individual state laws concerning this matter. Thank goodness that I live in one that has very few restrictions. 2nd best state in the union for handgun laws next to VT.
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Desertscout
desertscout@hotmail.com
"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference -- they deserve a place of honor with all that is good."
--George Washington
There is NO Federal law prohibiting carrying an otherwise legal handgun in a bank. There WAS a law prohibiting carry in bank that was Federally INSURED but it was repealed back in '72 or '74. There may, however, be individual state laws concerning this matter. Thank goodness that I live in one that has very few restrictions. 2nd best state in the union for handgun laws next to VT.
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Desertscout
desertscout@hotmail.com
"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference -- they deserve a place of honor with all that is good."
--George Washington
beemerb,
Read This...
The first thing to do if you haven't done it yet, is to join your NRA affiliated state association. Talk to them, they probably have a monthly magazine or piece of mail that they send out to members each month.
Here in Texas, we had great success in getting business to take down signs, when we first got the CHL law passed, by having the state association publish a list of each place of business that had up a sign in their monthly magazine. The list was broken down into counties. The members of the TSRA would call, write and generally harass the CEOs and managers of any business that would put up signs. We would boycott the businesses and write a lot of letters to the editor explaining the dangerous position that these businesses were placing themselves in by advertising that they ran a self defense free zone. The TSRA even had a "talking points" card that we could use if need be with our dialogue.
We got some biggies to take down signs, like Chief Auto Parts Stores and Minyards Grocery Stores.
Feel free to email me if you like.
Good luck,
Joe
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http://second.amendment.homepage.com
Read This...
The first thing to do if you haven't done it yet, is to join your NRA affiliated state association. Talk to them, they probably have a monthly magazine or piece of mail that they send out to members each month.
Here in Texas, we had great success in getting business to take down signs, when we first got the CHL law passed, by having the state association publish a list of each place of business that had up a sign in their monthly magazine. The list was broken down into counties. The members of the TSRA would call, write and generally harass the CEOs and managers of any business that would put up signs. We would boycott the businesses and write a lot of letters to the editor explaining the dangerous position that these businesses were placing themselves in by advertising that they ran a self defense free zone. The TSRA even had a "talking points" card that we could use if need be with our dialogue.
We got some biggies to take down signs, like Chief Auto Parts Stores and Minyards Grocery Stores.
Feel free to email me if you like.
Good luck,
Joe
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http://second.amendment.homepage.com
I don't know about the history of any federal laws banning guns in banks. But given the recent Lopez decision, which ruled that the feds can't put bans on bringing guns to school, any such law, if still extant, would be unconstitutional.
Not that I'd want to be the test case. But I believe those who say that such a law was removed.
Not that I'd want to be the test case. But I believe those who say that such a law was removed.
Had fun digging through dogpile. Wells Fargo Security not the same as Wells Fargo Bank.
Wells Fargo Bank wholy owned by WFC Holdings, which in turn was a branch of Norwest Corporation, who in turn changed their name to that of their property, Wells Fargo Bank. Looking at the annual reports of Wells Fargo, WFC Holding and Norwest; they refer each to the other as owners. Haven't been able to find who actually owns the mess.
Meanwhile, if bank won't let me carry, I won't let em play with my money.
Wells Fargo Bank wholy owned by WFC Holdings, which in turn was a branch of Norwest Corporation, who in turn changed their name to that of their property, Wells Fargo Bank. Looking at the annual reports of Wells Fargo, WFC Holding and Norwest; they refer each to the other as owners. Haven't been able to find who actually owns the mess.
Meanwhile, if bank won't let me carry, I won't let em play with my money.
denfoote,
My citation isn't too great. I got it at the FindLaw web site. It is U.S. v. Lopez (1995) No 93-1260. If you do a search of Supreme Court cases you should find it there. The Court ruled that guns in school was neither commerce nor interstate. I'm sure that they'd have a stronger case, though, I still believe it would be sophist, to claim that making guns in banks illegal wouldn't be usurping traditional state police power but instead simply regulating commerce.
The current court has really been actively cutting back on the reach of "regulation of interstate commerce." They heard an arson case this Spring and I hope they'll strike down the federal law.
My citation isn't too great. I got it at the FindLaw web site. It is U.S. v. Lopez (1995) No 93-1260. If you do a search of Supreme Court cases you should find it there. The Court ruled that guns in school was neither commerce nor interstate. I'm sure that they'd have a stronger case, though, I still believe it would be sophist, to claim that making guns in banks illegal wouldn't be usurping traditional state police power but instead simply regulating commerce.
The current court has really been actively cutting back on the reach of "regulation of interstate commerce." They heard an arson case this Spring and I hope they'll strike down the federal law.
Actually the Wells Fargo bank in Prescott has two separate entrances. The no guns sign is only posted on the doors directly in front I go in the side doors ( on right side) where there is no signs. That must be the doors for gun owners only.
Did not the Nurenburg trials make the point that immoral and unjust laws should not be obeyed?
Did not the Nurenburg trials make the point that immoral and unjust laws should not be obeyed?
A gun free bank zone would probably withstand a challenge based on Lopez. In Lopez, the Court struck down the law because the feds didn't show a nexus between the presence of firearms and an effect on interstate commerce. The claim that firearms led to violence which reduced opportunity to learn which might cause an impact on commerce which might affect interstate commerce was too tenuous.
However, banks are directly involved in interstate commerce (especially FDIC insured banks). As such, the feds could show that allowing firearms in a bank could increase the chance of a robbery, which would certainly affect interstate commerce as funds from customers from outside the state would be stolen. Further, fed funds would be required to reimburse customers. Finally, since the FBI is tasked with investigating bank robberies, there's a tacit link between the potential for crime and the possible expenditures required. This should probably get it affirmed under the Commerce Clause.
If anyone is thinking "BS", just remember that 99% of non-immigration/tax law enforcement is authorized based on the Commerce Clause. It's the most abused portion of the Constitution (even worse than the RKBA).
However, banks are directly involved in interstate commerce (especially FDIC insured banks). As such, the feds could show that allowing firearms in a bank could increase the chance of a robbery, which would certainly affect interstate commerce as funds from customers from outside the state would be stolen. Further, fed funds would be required to reimburse customers. Finally, since the FBI is tasked with investigating bank robberies, there's a tacit link between the potential for crime and the possible expenditures required. This should probably get it affirmed under the Commerce Clause.
If anyone is thinking "BS", just remember that 99% of non-immigration/tax law enforcement is authorized based on the Commerce Clause. It's the most abused portion of the Constitution (even worse than the RKBA).
Danger Dave
New member
It may not include the banking, but it definitely includes the security division.
www.loomisfargo.com
All the trucks here in Atlanta bear the "Loomis-Fargo" logo. My friend got transferred to Denver & has worked in Houston quite a bit, so they must have a presence there. I'll ask.
www.loomisfargo.com
All the trucks here in Atlanta bear the "Loomis-Fargo" logo. My friend got transferred to Denver & has worked in Houston quite a bit, so they must have a presence there. I'll ask.