New Product Idea, Doubling Shotgun Mag Capacity

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I've designed a device for pump action shotguns that provides some pretty great functionality. But I'm wondering what the marketability of such an item would be and what your opinions would be. Please answer these 4 questions and if you could let me know if you're in law enforcement. Thanks

1. Would a product doubling the magazine capacity of a pump action shotgun be a valuable asset to the law enforcement world and people interested in home defense? Why?



2. Would the ability to load the device with two types of ammunition, for example, buckshot and slugs, and the ability to choose which ammunition is chambered each time you work the slide be useful? How so and what applications might it have in the LE and home defense world?



3. Do you think the demand would be high for such a product priced under $150? (keep in mind this is an accessory for an existing shotgun, any brand of pump action)



4. Would the added weight of 5-7 shotgun shells cause usability issues for the device? (the device weight is minimal)
 
Magazine extensions are already avaliable. Granted you don't have the ability to choose between shells with a traditional extension, but........in a defence situation all I would be worried about is are there shells in the gun. Trying to defend you ground, stay secure, stay alive and choosing what style of shell t shoot at the bad guy(s) is to much information to process. In a defence situation the "KISS" principal is best.
 
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You're right, magazine extensions are already available. but this accessory is different from a magazine extension. refer to question 2. thanks
 
Sounds cool if it could be used reliably. I imagine demand would be high all around, but most probably couldn't/wouldn't run the gun optimally with the added weight. I'm not in LE, but I can tell you right now you'd have a pretty uphill battle as far as selling LE on the idea as they're very slow usually to adopt new technology and will definitely put the equipment through the ringer in the process. There's no such thing as too much ammo on hand, and selecting a slug or buck or nonlethal on the fly would definitely be nice, but like I said before, the added weight would be immense. If it was a quality product and looked good I'd probably go with it on my gun as I am a pretty big guy and the weight doesn't bother me much. But later in life, it probably would. Not everyones the same.
 
Consider the liability of having two different types of ammo and explaining why you choose one over.

I'm curious about the design, but I wouldn't be interested in purchasing such a product. I suspect law enforcement might have some concerns too. I'm not in law enforcement, so take it at face value. Still, I'd like to understand the mechanics.
 
Playing devil's advocate for a moment:

IF the device is positioned under the barrel, then the forward weight would really throw off any semblance of balance, making the gun extremely nose-heavy and unwieldy. In a stress-filled moment, wondering about what shell to use could cause hesitation and result in a bad situation.
 
your right, the ability to choose ammo could be an issue in an HD situation. i'm seeing that functionality for LE and Military. here is an example that a LEO gave me the other day. you traditionally have buckshot loaded, but you could quickly transition to a slug when greater range or penetration power was needed. he have the example of stopping a vehicle or shooting through cover.
 
selecting a slug or buck or nonlethal on the fly would definitely be nice
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Mixing lethal and non-lethal ammo is a BAD idea.

Though it would work for choosing between rubber buckshot rounds and beanbag rounds
 
the potential risks of lethal and non lethal round would be large. but as you mentioned you could use it for various non lethal rounds to provide different functionality. your right about the added weight being a potential issue. and for potential buyers they would have to gauge weather or not the benefits out way the costs. if mounted on an 18.5 inch barrel (or shorter for LE) I think you the handling characteristics would be more similar to say a 20 inch 8 shot mossberg.
 
good question, I'm not sure if there is. one good thing is that it can be designed to work with any pump action without permanent modification
 
i believe winchester made a 4 barreled shotgun for the gov during the nam era. wanst in use for long for osme reason.


a solution for the capacity problem has been found. aquila mini shells and an extended magazine tube.
 
I could see this as an option for hunters--some might see a benefit in being able to choose between buckshot and slugs, or birdshot and buckshot, etcetera.

You say under $150. Are we talking $149? That's quite a chunk of change to a casual shotgun user, but little or nothing to law enforcement/militart.
 
It's not hard to add a box magazine to a pump gun, leaving the stock magazine in place. I thought about it years ago, but never bothered with making one. Don't know if there is a market. It depends on the price.
 
I could see this as an option for hunters--some might see a benefit in being able to choose between buckshot and slugs, or birdshot and buckshot, etcetera.
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That was my immeadiate thought - slugs for deer hunting, shot to pop a grouse or some quail along the way...
 
Ability to swap between slugs and buckshot might be nice, but it would likely be more of interest to LEO/mil users than to home users. Sure, many folks would buy one thinking it's great, but once you start tacking on an extra 5-7 rounds, you've REALLY increased the weight of the weapon (loading 6 rounds of 00 buck into my 870 tactical is quite noticeable, so doubling that would be as well). Not knowing anything about your design, it would be less a hindrance if it were able to concentrate the weight in the middle of the gun (like a box magazine).

The only reason for HD I could see wanting to go from buckshot to slugs would be for barrier penetration, and I figure that more than a half second spent swapping over would mean I might as well just use my Saiga 12 and swap out mags or reach for a rifle.
 
Sure, many folks would buy one thinking it's great, but once you start tacking on an extra 5-7 rounds, you've REALLY increased the weight of the weapon (loading 6 rounds of 00 buck into my 870 tactical is quite noticeable, so doubling that would be as well).
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But think of it this way--how much extra ammo are you carrying on your person? My 12 gauge has either 5+1 or 4+1 capacity depending on whether I use standard or 3 inch shells. But I've always got 5 more shells tucked into a holder on the buttstock. So I'm still carrying that weight, but it's not available to me directly in the mag. Even if you don't have a buttstock holder, how many people are going to not be carrying any additional rounds on their person?
 
Why limit to 2?
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