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New product from BigIron!
- Thread starter Third_Rail
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I won't make any more negative comments, except that I won't be buying any.
I don't NEED another 200 fps. What more do I gotta say? Mebbe 10 percent of us are anywhere we COULD hunt with a BP revolver, IF, we can pass velocity/ kinetic energy tests.
I don't, so don't jump at the latest, greatest hype. You guys are trying to sell that, and, unfortunately some guys that I considered level-headed are jumping on the band wagon.
You do NOT say anything about what you base this thing upon, nor ANY hint of the composition. NOT a trade secret, but a hint. No, WE KNOW BEST, JUST BUY IT.
Fat chance from me. Sorry.
Jules's PHDs might be in Chemistry, until some of us have some idea what is there, forget it.
Hell, you 2 are turning this forum into a sales pitch. Most forums, and this one prior to this spiel, barred overt sales spiels.
What's gone wrong, here?
Cheers,
George
Luddite? ME? You gots to be kidding! ANYTHING new, I am for, when I get to examine it and determine for myself what it is worth.
Luddites, for your information, not for the Kraut's because he appears to be smarter than you guys, were the textile workers who destroyed looms that took their livelihood away from them. Mechanization has always been to be feared when it takes away a living for anybody, whether learned, trained, engineers, or the peons who did the hard work, the manual labor.
I doubt the "Kraut" would use Luddite as a descriptor. You might, but you are evidently less informed than he is purported to be.
Just wish the "Kraut" would get on here and try to talk us into whatever you are pushing. HE just MIGHT make a little sense, not sales promoters like you guys sound.
How you got into this, third rail, I don't know, but Manyirons has been pushing this stuff for months.
I am not happy with this becoming a commercial forum. You already have a website.
Cheers,
George
I don't NEED another 200 fps. What more do I gotta say? Mebbe 10 percent of us are anywhere we COULD hunt with a BP revolver, IF, we can pass velocity/ kinetic energy tests.
I don't, so don't jump at the latest, greatest hype. You guys are trying to sell that, and, unfortunately some guys that I considered level-headed are jumping on the band wagon.
You do NOT say anything about what you base this thing upon, nor ANY hint of the composition. NOT a trade secret, but a hint. No, WE KNOW BEST, JUST BUY IT.
Fat chance from me. Sorry.
Jules's PHDs might be in Chemistry, until some of us have some idea what is there, forget it.
Hell, you 2 are turning this forum into a sales pitch. Most forums, and this one prior to this spiel, barred overt sales spiels.
What's gone wrong, here?
Cheers,
George
Luddite? ME? You gots to be kidding! ANYTHING new, I am for, when I get to examine it and determine for myself what it is worth.
Luddites, for your information, not for the Kraut's because he appears to be smarter than you guys, were the textile workers who destroyed looms that took their livelihood away from them. Mechanization has always been to be feared when it takes away a living for anybody, whether learned, trained, engineers, or the peons who did the hard work, the manual labor.
I doubt the "Kraut" would use Luddite as a descriptor. You might, but you are evidently less informed than he is purported to be.
Just wish the "Kraut" would get on here and try to talk us into whatever you are pushing. HE just MIGHT make a little sense, not sales promoters like you guys sound.
How you got into this, third rail, I don't know, but Manyirons has been pushing this stuff for months.
I am not happy with this becoming a commercial forum. You already have a website.
Cheers,
George
George!
You are and i will write carefully, right. He said some people yet work with maps with THERE BE DRAGONS in margins. I didnt report that accurately and i apologize.
George, you have, like it or not, a LONG history of poo pooing anything coming down the pike, nothing wrong with that, but TRY it before you denounce it.
For your purposes, paper, i agree, no use, cant quite kill it any deader, but some people hunt.
And yes, we DO like to announce real products not fluff or air because a LOT of hard work goes into it as well as PRIDE.
And i'm STILL waiting for that P.M. with your Telephone.
The BOSS works, he spends little time with the internet crowd. He MIGHT put in a Hello, but work or debate? NO CONTEST with him!
And make no mistake, I LIKE you george, nothing against you, and sometimes it doesnt come through well if i'm teasing someone.
You are and i will write carefully, right. He said some people yet work with maps with THERE BE DRAGONS in margins. I didnt report that accurately and i apologize.
George, you have, like it or not, a LONG history of poo pooing anything coming down the pike, nothing wrong with that, but TRY it before you denounce it.
For your purposes, paper, i agree, no use, cant quite kill it any deader, but some people hunt.
And yes, we DO like to announce real products not fluff or air because a LOT of hard work goes into it as well as PRIDE.
And i'm STILL waiting for that P.M. with your Telephone.
The BOSS works, he spends little time with the internet crowd. He MIGHT put in a Hello, but work or debate? NO CONTEST with him!
And make no mistake, I LIKE you george, nothing against you, and sometimes it doesnt come through well if i'm teasing someone.
Third_Rail
New member
Jule has pressure testing rigs. We'll get back to you on that, as it would seem to solve a lot of this needless banter.
Well, third_rail, just what do you expect. There is no testing, nothing about the environment(SP), you say it increases velocity, I don't know you or Jules or whoever from the offer you made to the forum. My dear ole' pappy always said 'don't buy a pig in the poke' that is the reason for my questions. Nothing personal, I hope.
I will await the testing and your actual muzzle velocity reports.
Can it be set off with a hammer?
Will a regular match set it off or does it take the cap only?
Have you checked the bullets to see if the 'pill' was still attached to the bullet, or any part of it?
Does it improve accuracy? I am talking like 8" down to 5" pattern at 25 yards.
Have you found any part of the 'pill' between the pistol and the target on the ground or in your testing so far, did you experience any of this?
I do like the looks of your .44 lead bullets. I may have missed it but what is the lead-tin content?
Thanks,
Marsh
I will await the testing and your actual muzzle velocity reports.
Can it be set off with a hammer?
Will a regular match set it off or does it take the cap only?
Have you checked the bullets to see if the 'pill' was still attached to the bullet, or any part of it?
Does it improve accuracy? I am talking like 8" down to 5" pattern at 25 yards.
Have you found any part of the 'pill' between the pistol and the target on the ground or in your testing so far, did you experience any of this?
I do like the looks of your .44 lead bullets. I may have missed it but what is the lead-tin content?
Thanks,
Marsh
Third_Rail
New member
I will await the testing and your actual muzzle velocity reports.
The 200fps on average increase, that's the actual muzzle velocity increase, on average.
The "pill" burns completely, no large pieces are left - some fouling, much like BP, remains, but combustion is quite complete.
The bullets are pure lead, fwiw.
TR,
I don't know what the pressure boost will be either. I think it will be inconsequential, unless you are shooting a Walker with 60 grs BP or a Rem with over 40. DON'T think you are gonna blow up your pistol's cylinder.
That said, I still don't think I, personally, need them. If you can sell a box or 2 to some of them with chronys, I'll wait to hear their reports, and STILL have little use for them.
Y'know, one of my s'in laws loads 300 gr balls in his 44 mag, his OWN dad thinks he is foolish, and he (the dad) shoots bowling pins every week in competition. He loads as hot as the 300 ball will allow, WAY too much kick for me, and for the old guy.
As far as the new bullets being pure lead, I don't know of any swaged balls made by anyone, that are not pure lead. The same s'in law has a 38 swaging setup for pistol bullets, requires pure lead, and it is a 'C' or 'O' type press. You ain't gonna squeeze alloyed lead by hand press.
That is not to say you cannot use an alloy in a BP revolver. Many say no, but others say yes, and some of those who say yes have better credentials than some of the posters here.
Cheers,
George
BTW, Manyirons, here's the number, no PM, 724 640 5021, my cell, the old guy wants to convince me that you guys are legit, tell him to give me a call.
If I can get a word in edgewise, I might ask him if he can do anything to my pistols, or ask him what he would want to reblue one or two of my modern firearms. He's only a hundred or so miles from me, with no Gunsmiths, to speak of, in my home territory, I might just drive over to see him.
Got a Browning O/U over 50 years old needs reblued, hesitant to send it to Browning, think it would cost too much there, got a 6 m/m-284 Varmint needs to be bright polished, my gunsmith, dead, now, made a kinda matte finish on it, built on a 98 action, would prefer it to be a nice shiny deep black-blue, even got a Rem pump 22, 582, had a bent barrel from the day I bought it, shoots a foot to the left ( I think, mebbe the right). Was gonna press it straight, if the Smith can do it better, easier, might get him to do it.
Cheers,
George
I don't know what the pressure boost will be either. I think it will be inconsequential, unless you are shooting a Walker with 60 grs BP or a Rem with over 40. DON'T think you are gonna blow up your pistol's cylinder.
That said, I still don't think I, personally, need them. If you can sell a box or 2 to some of them with chronys, I'll wait to hear their reports, and STILL have little use for them.
Y'know, one of my s'in laws loads 300 gr balls in his 44 mag, his OWN dad thinks he is foolish, and he (the dad) shoots bowling pins every week in competition. He loads as hot as the 300 ball will allow, WAY too much kick for me, and for the old guy.
As far as the new bullets being pure lead, I don't know of any swaged balls made by anyone, that are not pure lead. The same s'in law has a 38 swaging setup for pistol bullets, requires pure lead, and it is a 'C' or 'O' type press. You ain't gonna squeeze alloyed lead by hand press.
That is not to say you cannot use an alloy in a BP revolver. Many say no, but others say yes, and some of those who say yes have better credentials than some of the posters here.
Cheers,
George
BTW, Manyirons, here's the number, no PM, 724 640 5021, my cell, the old guy wants to convince me that you guys are legit, tell him to give me a call.
If I can get a word in edgewise, I might ask him if he can do anything to my pistols, or ask him what he would want to reblue one or two of my modern firearms. He's only a hundred or so miles from me, with no Gunsmiths, to speak of, in my home territory, I might just drive over to see him.
Got a Browning O/U over 50 years old needs reblued, hesitant to send it to Browning, think it would cost too much there, got a 6 m/m-284 Varmint needs to be bright polished, my gunsmith, dead, now, made a kinda matte finish on it, built on a 98 action, would prefer it to be a nice shiny deep black-blue, even got a Rem pump 22, 582, had a bent barrel from the day I bought it, shoots a foot to the left ( I think, mebbe the right). Was gonna press it straight, if the Smith can do it better, easier, might get him to do it.
Cheers,
George