NEW Pistol Brace Invention... thoughts?
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I agree with Patientwolf.
It seems that this brace is to counter the weight of the pistol and not help much with recoil control.
I have seen something similar on handguns with long barrels; a rod with a weight is attached to the backstrap to counter the weight but does not contact the arm.
I found this on a google image search:
It seems that this brace is to counter the weight of the pistol and not help much with recoil control.
I have seen something similar on handguns with long barrels; a rod with a weight is attached to the backstrap to counter the weight but does not contact the arm.
I found this on a google image search:
dogtown tom
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MTAYLOR First, thanks everyone for the great comments! They are very helpful. Let me say a few things in response:
1- On training: If you are a new shooter, or a young shooter, there are a lot of things you have to deal with simultaneously. Smooth trigger control, your wrist, proper grip, a loud bang etc. With so many issues it is common to make different mistakes from shot to shot leading to poor results. Poor results = loss of interest for most people.
Oddly though, generations of shooters of all ages have managed to fight though all those problems and be successful.
Each problem can be addressed in a single session with a more experienced shooter/coach/instructor.
What this product does is it basically takes the wrist errors out of the equation. It forces you to lock your wrist and push against the gun when the gun fires with your shooting hand.
No, it doesn't. It may align your wrist, but it doesn't force you to lock it. You could easily have a very limp grip and weak wrist "lock" and still use your contraption.
Having another point of contact provides greater stability for the gun as well.
So does a monopod/bipod/tripod, yet you don't usually see those for handguns.....especially handguns that will be used in self defense.
This allows the new shooter to focus on the areas the brace doesn't help with: not closing eyes when firing, sighting, pulling the trigger smoothly back when firing etc. This means the new shooter will focus on fewer areas for improvement, and they will shoot better in the process which builds confidence and interest. Success builds on success.
Nice try, but teaching someone how to shoot a handgun isn't nearly as difficult as you make it out to be.
By the time the new shooter has mastered the areas the brace doesn't help with, the use of the brace will have trained their wrist in handling the recoil of the pistol and learning how much force they should be applying with their shooting hand when they don't have the brace. For some, they may use it as training wheels in the beginning and then not need it after. For some people with weak wrists, disabled, elderly, and the young shooters, they may just prefer to shoot with the added support moving forward.
I'm an Adapted Physical Education specialist for a large school district. "Adaptations" to equipment, curriculum and teaching methods is my job. I DO see value in your wrist brace for someone who doesn't have full use of their hands/arms or has physical limitations or disabilities that allow correct shooting technique...........but I see little to no value for anyone else.
If you have an elderly person living alone as your neighbor, has shaky hands, and wants something to be able to protect themselves in case of a break in, would you rather they have a pistol with or without the Accu-Pistol Brace?
100% without a doubt, no question about it I do not want such a contraption on anyone's self defense gun. You are looking at a liability nightmare by suggesting using it as such.
If my neighbor or a family member cannot properly hold a handgun then they should reevaluate their choice of firearms. Either go lighter weight or smaller caliber........but the answer is not a contraption that ADDS weight.
All they have to do is pick up the pistol and they immediately have the support during an emergency.
How about using their other hand?
So you really think your brace doesn't impede or take valuble seconds in presenting the handgun to a shooting position?
2- On cost: This is a precision made high quality 7075-t6 product which attaches to most of the most common pistols with a simple baseplate adapter so there is a lot of value here compared to many other products on the market.
What are those other products?
Also on cost, we are finalizing a special program for professional gun trainers and gun ranges which offer classes to the general public. They will be able to purchase the Accu-Pistol Brace at a deep discount on the condition that they only resell it at the standard price. In this way they can work it into their standard training for beginners, and pocket the extra money from the percentage of students who decide they want to purchase the Accu-Pisol Brace to keep practicing with it after the class is over.
Overpriced at any price. The Accu-Pisol Brace is unnecessary for anyone teaching or learning correct handgun techniques.
1- On training: If you are a new shooter, or a young shooter, there are a lot of things you have to deal with simultaneously. Smooth trigger control, your wrist, proper grip, a loud bang etc. With so many issues it is common to make different mistakes from shot to shot leading to poor results. Poor results = loss of interest for most people.
Oddly though, generations of shooters of all ages have managed to fight though all those problems and be successful.
Each problem can be addressed in a single session with a more experienced shooter/coach/instructor.
What this product does is it basically takes the wrist errors out of the equation. It forces you to lock your wrist and push against the gun when the gun fires with your shooting hand.
No, it doesn't. It may align your wrist, but it doesn't force you to lock it. You could easily have a very limp grip and weak wrist "lock" and still use your contraption.
Having another point of contact provides greater stability for the gun as well.
So does a monopod/bipod/tripod, yet you don't usually see those for handguns.....especially handguns that will be used in self defense.
This allows the new shooter to focus on the areas the brace doesn't help with: not closing eyes when firing, sighting, pulling the trigger smoothly back when firing etc. This means the new shooter will focus on fewer areas for improvement, and they will shoot better in the process which builds confidence and interest. Success builds on success.
Nice try, but teaching someone how to shoot a handgun isn't nearly as difficult as you make it out to be.
By the time the new shooter has mastered the areas the brace doesn't help with, the use of the brace will have trained their wrist in handling the recoil of the pistol and learning how much force they should be applying with their shooting hand when they don't have the brace. For some, they may use it as training wheels in the beginning and then not need it after. For some people with weak wrists, disabled, elderly, and the young shooters, they may just prefer to shoot with the added support moving forward.
I'm an Adapted Physical Education specialist for a large school district. "Adaptations" to equipment, curriculum and teaching methods is my job. I DO see value in your wrist brace for someone who doesn't have full use of their hands/arms or has physical limitations or disabilities that allow correct shooting technique...........but I see little to no value for anyone else.
If you have an elderly person living alone as your neighbor, has shaky hands, and wants something to be able to protect themselves in case of a break in, would you rather they have a pistol with or without the Accu-Pistol Brace?
100% without a doubt, no question about it I do not want such a contraption on anyone's self defense gun. You are looking at a liability nightmare by suggesting using it as such.
If my neighbor or a family member cannot properly hold a handgun then they should reevaluate their choice of firearms. Either go lighter weight or smaller caliber........but the answer is not a contraption that ADDS weight.
All they have to do is pick up the pistol and they immediately have the support during an emergency.
How about using their other hand?
So you really think your brace doesn't impede or take valuble seconds in presenting the handgun to a shooting position?
2- On cost: This is a precision made high quality 7075-t6 product which attaches to most of the most common pistols with a simple baseplate adapter so there is a lot of value here compared to many other products on the market.
What are those other products?
Also on cost, we are finalizing a special program for professional gun trainers and gun ranges which offer classes to the general public. They will be able to purchase the Accu-Pistol Brace at a deep discount on the condition that they only resell it at the standard price. In this way they can work it into their standard training for beginners, and pocket the extra money from the percentage of students who decide they want to purchase the Accu-Pisol Brace to keep practicing with it after the class is over.
Overpriced at any price. The Accu-Pisol Brace is unnecessary for anyone teaching or learning correct handgun techniques.
Aguila Blanca
Staff
No, it won't. Apparently you don't know much about physical training and muscle memory. The use of a crutch does not, will not, and cannot train the muscles to work properly in the absence of the crutch. What your device will do is train the muscles to rely on the crutch. Which is NOT a desired result.MTAYLOR said:
It didn't look that simple to me. IMHO it would make more sense to simply choose a pistol with less recoil.
It's easy to say "There is a lot of value here," but I'm not seeing it. It's expensive -- how are you justifying the atatement that "there is a lot of value here"?
Sorry, but this sounds to me a lot like price fixing. It also sounds a lot like that company that's taking flack for their predatory pricing on Epi-Pens. They charge $300 for a life-saving medical device that a few years ago sold for under $100, then they "justify" it by saying they give discounts to some customers. That's a cop out -- why not just charge a fair price to everyone and call it a day?
Frankly, as an NRA pistol instructor I can't see any reason in the world why I would use this contraption in my classes, or recommend it to a student. Remember the adage, "We fight as we train." You can't properly teach people to shoot under stress by using in the classroom environment a crutch that they won't have available when the balloon goes up.
Walt Sherrill
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I was about to respond to the comment about training the wrist, but see that Aquila Blanca said it first and better...
THAT may be a possible way to use it, but kind of (or VERY) awkward for any uses except planned trips to the range.
MTAYLOR said:
THAT may be a possible way to use it, but kind of (or VERY) awkward for any uses except planned trips to the range.
Well, they sell all kinds of useless junk for beginners in other hobbies. Golf for instance. So if you find a channel to reach people who don't know any better you might be able to sell a few.......at least until they bring them in to actual firearms instructors and the word gets out. Then again, there are probably a huge number of beginners lurking here that are now a little too wise for your intended market. Hope you didn't sign up to the forum just to try and peddle this gadget.
Cheapshooter
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I think innitial sales will be somewhat bolstered by the P.T. Barnum effect. But I don't see it as a future shooting accessory staple.
reynolds357
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I think if you can't shoot a pistol, then shoot a rifle.
Since I am a mere youngster of 83, I have no problem shooting a regular 1911 with no brace or mechanical help, though older folks might consider use of such a brace. I still consider the thing a gadget; it might have some application in some specialized area, but I fail to see just when that would be.
Jim
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BigMikey76
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If you can't handle the gun you have, the answer is an easier to handle gun, not a gimmicky attachment. Worried about limp wristing? Shoot a revolver. There are plenty of reasonable answers to shooting difficulties, even the ones that can't be overcome with practice. I can't imagine how this attachment will be a better solution than... well... anything.
Everyone has made fair points. I immediately didn't see any need in it as it is very bulky and could not be practically adapted to be used on a carry/SD gun. So it would be a range toy only. I would never recommend that someone use an aid such as this for training if they plan on using the pistol in SD and they will not have the "training aid" in a SD situation. There are other methods that are tried and true... i.e. professional instruction, and if the individual simply can not get over recoil for a given caliber then you just go down in caliber/recoil.
I don't see anyone paying $120.00 for this. Nothing wrong with being inventive and thinking outside of the box, but I don't think this is going to be the one.
I don't see anyone paying $120.00 for this. Nothing wrong with being inventive and thinking outside of the box, but I don't think this is going to be the one.
Aguila Blanca
Staff
How?Ozzieman said:
The "brace" portion of this contraption goes UNDER the strong hand wrist. In order to have any chance of helping to control recoil and muzzle flip, the pad should be on top of the strong hand wrist.
Cheapshooter
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NFA restricted, not necessarily not popular if it weren't for the red tape, and expense.
Old Bill Dibble
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I would totally have a shoulder stock on my 1911cif it were paperwork free.
I'd like to see the device used with a full-auto pistol - that would be interesting.
On one hand, I find the OP's device interesting because it does look like it works. On the other hand, I sort of view it as a crutch that impedes the ability to get comfortable with proper handling of a handgun for defensive purposes. It's sort of like learning to shoot a double-action revolver by always cocking the hammer first and thinking you would be able to effectively use that revolver in a stress-filled defensive scenario.
On one hand, I find the OP's device interesting because it does look like it works. On the other hand, I sort of view it as a crutch that impedes the ability to get comfortable with proper handling of a handgun for defensive purposes. It's sort of like learning to shoot a double-action revolver by always cocking the hammer first and thinking you would be able to effectively use that revolver in a stress-filled defensive scenario.