New pancake hot off the stove for my Colt SA

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HighValleyRanch

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Been thinking about this new design for a while. I like the strong side reverse carry, because the butt doesn't stick out the back, and I wanted something that would hug tight. I wanted the bottom to be narrow and enclosed so that if it sticks out bottom of the over shirt, it might look like a knife sheath. Vertical drop with no cant.

This rig rides nice! Draws smooth, hugs tight, is comfortable and solid.
If it hasn't been take, I am naming it the "pancake slim" model.

Just got done with the lacquer top coat and will polish it out some.
Tooled floral pattern with "silver" studs along the edges, and tight enough to hold the Colt New frontier .22 with friction.
Dyed with coffee antique highlighting, oak antique and lacquer topcoat.
Stitched with white thread for contrast.
Oh, and found a belt that happened to match color and motif perfectly!
No, I didn't tool this belt!LOL

Finally bought a belt loop cutter so it makes better holes!
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Looks good! I was wondering what you were going to do for leather:D

When I started carrying, like you I found the reverse, or twist, draw to be best for concealment, and when I mentioned it to a CCW forum they lambasted me with how unsafe it would be during the draw. These were the same guys that sometimes advocated small-of-the-back carry. Go figure:rolleyes: They were also mostly guys that carry semiautomatics (mine was a DA snubbie), so maybe they think a gun is a gun is a gun (duh). They didn't want to hear that the United States military used the twist draw for several decades.:cool:
 
Ah, the dreaded reverse draw!

I agree. I've been lambasted right here for suggesting the unthinkable.

But as long as the gun is drawn straight up, and twisted while barrel is pointing down, it ends up being exactly in the same position as the standard strong side presentation. Takes a little more limberness in the arms!:D

But the gun sure rides comfortable this way.

By the way, I really like the thinness of this small colt.
Are the ruger single sixes this thin?
thinking of getting a ruger in .32 H&mag to match.
 
holster looks awesome... personally I prefer a traditional, but canted fit... but certainly not going to blast anyone for any other way...

my Single Six ( 32 mag ) has the traditional grip frame, & while the gun is pretty small, the grip frame is pretty wide at the top, where it connects to the frame ( I just put a new 32 mag Single Six birdshead grip frame on one of my 45 colt New Vaqueros ( a Montado ) so that should give you an eye deer on the size... added to that, the grip panels seem pretty thick, so the lil 32 is a handfull in the grip area... I would think some thinner panels could be found that would cut down on the thickness some...

aside from that... my Single Six is an older one, bought used, it's polished stainless with white grip panels, & I love the gun... I did have to ream the chamber throats, they were tighter than the bore, making accuracy only marginal & leading pretty heavy... but, after doing the throat job, the thing is a tack driver... might have to get one in 22, just because I like the 32 so much...
 
The US military used the twist draw? Never heard that before. When?

They did use a crossdraw, but that was primarily due to the cavalry. It is a lot easier to maintain proper riding form and balance by keeping the arms closer to center; cocking the elbow back for a strongside draw is more unbalancing than reaching across.

Edit: forgot to say, very nice holster, HVR.
 
I heard this type of carry called "cavalry style". Cavalry soldiers would carry this way in order to be able to draw with either hand. Their saber would be carried on the weak side so it can be drawn with their strong hand.

And yes, that is a beautiful holster.
 
Thanks guys!
I guess this holster style would have to be called a hybrid, because it takes the flavor of the old west, and combines it with the advantage of the hugging pancake.

My colt measures 1 3/8" at the cylinder.
Can you measure your .32 Magnum Wheel Man?
That is the only portion that makes the difference to me as being slimmer.
The grips could always be altered to be thinner.

Good point on the cross draw, because i just tried it, and the gun is accessible with either my weak cross draw ( a stretch but can be done) or the strong reverse. With the normal strong side cant, it is harder for me to draw with the weak hand, and if I do, I still have to manipulate the gun to get the grip.


While the movies portray the usual cowboy as wearing his guns low slung for fast draw, that was not historically the case.
 
If I can remember ( old guy short term memory loss :o ) I'll measure the cylinder, & grip frame width tonight ( I should be working in the "man cave" this evening...

BTW... I'm kinda doing similar "cross breeding" with a higher ride & canted "western style" my thoughts are "modern BBQ style" something that functions as a concieled carry holster, but could be worn as a fancy open carry
 
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twhidd... if you watch modern competition shooters...

.... in riding events, you will see that crossdraw is a highly preferred mode; for those using two guns, double crossdraw rigs are pretty normal.

You could potentially do a same side, reverse draw while riding, but it's really not optimal for anything faster than a walk.
 
@MLeake... That may be the case for modern competition shooters, and I believe Wild Bill Hickok carried his guns that way, but in the days of cavalry soldiers the saber would be carried on the weak side. It would not be practical to carry the revolver on that side as well. Thus is the reason for the butt forward strong side carry.
 
Wild Bill...

... I thought he used a border rig. Strongside on primary, cross draw opposite. The weak side gun could be drawn either way; kept the other guy guessing, too.
 
twhidd...

... I had the impression that the saber was considered the cavalryman's primary close quarters weapon until WWI, based more on tradition than sense.

So I had also assumed they'd train to use the pistol in the weak hand, so they could use both weapons.

(I'm not much of a rider, but my significant other has been in the saddle since she was two; she doesn't really need either hand on the rains. I'd assume a professional cavalryman wouldn't, either.)

Not sure. Now I'm curious.
 
... I had the impression that the saber was considered the cavalryman's primary close quarters weapon until WWI, based more on tradition than sense.

So I had also assumed they'd train to use the pistol in the weak hand, so they could use both weapons.
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I believe that all to be correct, which goes with my original point. You may be right about Wild Bill's rig. I just thought I had read somewhere once that he carried his Navy Colts that way.
 
HighValley, Nice work! I used that same pattern on my first gun belt I tooled myself as a teenager. It may be the most commonly used leather ttoling pattern I've seen. Or maybe it's just that I like it and notice it more...hmmm.

Anyway, I do like the holster design and will keep it in mind, as my father prefers a Ruger Bearcat and that holster style would work for that as well.

Good work!
 
What a great looking holster. In fact I haven't seen one look so good in a long time. Sharp!

Question: Will those sharp edges on the square corners on the belt loop ends, dig into my belly fat when you make my holster? Could you round those off?
 
Magnum Wheel Man,
here's a photo of the backside. Nothing much to write home about, sorta crude compared to the front. The only noticeable is that the "silver" studs were attached before the two sides to hide the fold over tabs in between the two pieces. Another tip I found that works great is to leave the two pices "rough cut" until stitched together, and then do the final contour cut on a thin bladed band saw, and burnish the edges. That way I get the two sides matched perfectly.
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You BBQ idea was pretty close to what I thought. A general around the ranch CCW holster that was comfortable for all day wear, but looked like a B-grade western when the outer shirt came off!:D

Lashlaroe,
that pattern probably looks familiar because it was right off the tandy Al Stolham pattern book from the early days! But the motif is fairly common with differences in the way the leaves and flower are tooled.
And while I am borrowing my friends Bearcat, I might punch out a holster for that later this week. But I was thinking more cross draw or standard butt back for that small a gun. A reverse draw would be hard because the grip is so small. It would be perfect for a pancake type, though.

Anaconda,
the square edges can be rounded off, I just decided to make them square for contrast as I am pretty lean. Not taking any orders yet, still trying to perfect the craft. Lots of little mistakes that you can't see, but more like a ten foot paint job!;)
 
HVR,

When the women do that to us, we have a special name we call them. Do I need to get into name calling or is there some other form of blackmail that I can use :rolleyes: LMAO
 
measurements from that single six 32 mag ( I'm neither an engineer or machinist, but used a caliper, so use "my" measurement with caution :) )

Cylinder width...1.44"
Barrel / Extractor width...0.95"
Frame width...0.925"

BTW... I don't have a thin blade band saw, so I normally use a Dremel tool with a Rotozip insert ( made for side cutting ) it works great, but covers me pretty good with flying leather shred...
 
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