New military pistol?

I cannot imagine in this climate of military cost cutting that we will see a new pistol. I could be wrong, but I think the Beretta is here for a good while.
 
I don't see it happening - at least not full scale. Many (did not say all) who are issued a sidearm in the military receive less than optimal training, and their proficiency and accuracy leave much to be desired. Going to a sidearm with more recoil and power is not going to help military personnel in this category regarding accuracy and proficiency. Unless you are a Navy SEAL or in a Special Forces unit, you get little training with a sidearm.
 
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I agree with the posts so far. With all the spending cuts people are screaming for I think the only way they would be able to get a new sidearm would be to cut benefits. I'm sure once they start cutting benefits to military and their families there would be more of an uproar from inside and outside the military then there has ever been about the M9.

Take that for what you will as I have not had the pleasure to serve, more so based on observations of the financial status of the government as a whole.
 
If the military does get a new side arm I think it will be 95+% off the shelf; the climate is hostile for new acquisitions right now but look at the Marines they are phasing out the M249 after talking about it forever.

The thing is: the Army has so much 9MM ammo laying around I just can't believe right now they are going to do away with 9MM hand guns totally right away. It might be a phased thing like the Israeli's did with the Tavor. New recruits are trained up on the new weapon and the old guys keep the M9 for now.
 
Something tells me Glock will be pushing very hard for that contract.

Disclaimer: Simple statement, I have nothing against Glocks aside from that I don't care for the way they feel in hand. Don't tar & feather me:eek:
 
Industry insider told me that Army was in the process of choosing a 40S&W or 45 auto. Don't know if the current budget cuts will effect this. In the grand view a pistol contract cost less then a single bombing run in theater or during training. I hate the argument of a sidearm being useless and never used. If this is so then ban them all together. If not then, per the troops, it's time for an upgrade. Specifically it's time for expanding bullets or a bigger caliber. Time for a poly pistol that requires less maintenance (ie lube,) and it's time for replaceable back straps because one size doesn't fit all. As for the current stock pile of 9mm, well that's not a problem. We supply many nations with ammo and certain units will still have the 9mm for a few years before they are swapped out. Or they can sell it, I need some cheap 9mm.
 
This topic gets talked about on GlockTalk every so often and Glock fans are convinced that the new military sidearm wil be a Glock.

There are 2 issues - what caliber and what make/model.

In the grand scheme of things, I really don't think the handgun is that important of a weapon system. It has it's role but it doesn't have as much of an impact on the battlefield as the main battle rifle, it doesn't impact the theater as much as our predator drone systems. You look at decision concerning APCs, MBTs and artillery systems and these other things far outweigh the handgun issue in importance and impact.


it's of great interest to us as gun enthusiasts but it's not that important in the grand scheme of things.

It doesn't make sense to switch to some other caliber. All of NATO is using 9mm. This is not a situation where you are debating the very very most effective caliber and bullet - because if you find yourself in that situation where you are coming out of a convienience store late at night, and you are confronted with an attackeryou want to make sure you have the very very highest chance of stopping the attack with the very most effective handgun round possible.

They all shoot NATO ball, and would there really be any measurable impact on any battle if U.S. troops were using 40 cal or .45? Probably not, since the OpFor have already been fragged or shot up with 5.56 or 7.62 anyway.

Unfortunately a lot of military equipment decidions are based on politics and big money / croney capitalism.

There have been plenty of military trials where the final equipment that was selected was not the "best" as far as the best performing, but was the winner of a contract. And that usually boils down to price, and how much of the equipment is made in what senator's state or what representative's district.

It doesn't make sense to change caliber, but if there is a powerful enough coalition out there of economic interests, our troops could end up with any kind of caliber.

The other thing I think is amusing is how Glock fans are 100% sure that Glock will win the contract.

Maybe if they submitted their Gen 3 pistols, but if they submitted a 9mm with their still experimental RSAs, MIM extractors and goofy ejectors and give the military testers pistols that spit brass directly back in the face of the shooter and then stovepipe every hundred rounds or so... they are not going to win anything.
 
I don't think the military wants a pistol without a manual safety. As has been said, training is minimal, why have a 6lb trigger with no safety on top of it?

And some guns out there, the PX4 for one, were already developed to meet a military contract, then the contract was cancelled. They wouldn't have to spin up a new batch of pistols, they could go off the shelf because those models are already a new batch.

I think they will stay with 9mm for many reasons, most of which have been mentioned, but a newer lighter better pistol. I can't see them going striker-fired, but maybe that's just me. Everyone is familiar with the M9, I think the PX4 is a natural choice and an excellent one as well.
 
Army Times is as reliable a news source as MSNBC...maybe less so.

The DOD just bought 400,000 odd NEW M9's this year. It isn't going away anytime soon.

Every week there is an online article about "__________ is replacing their _______ because it is _________"

In EVERY case the "journalist" is actually a PR hack paid to write an article favorable to his company.
 
So how much 9mm ammo does the army have anyway? It isn't personally important to me but it is an interesting question. Also, I have never been part of any military equipment selection or acquisition program, unlike (apparently) several others here. However, my late father-in-law, who was an aeronautical engineer, was. He worked at what was at the time, DARCOM, in connection with rotary wing aircraft. He had more than a little to do with the development of some helicopters. But once my son happened to ask what a certain model cost, and he had no idea. But I don't think there was any politics involved. But I also realize that helicopters are not as important as handguns.

Another think that does happen, though, is there are both competing demands for such money as there is (there's never enough, of course) and moreover, there are competing concepts involved, which is nothing new. That goes back beyond living memory and it won't change. What I mean by the last comment is that, for example, the army thinks it needs a certain kind of airplane and the air force thinks the army shouldn't have any airplanes. It may turn out that neither side is even seeing the problem the right way, so that no matter which side wins, they went with the wrong solution. That's only a general picture of the story but you get the idea.
 
Yes I was part of an Army procurement program

Sort of... I was a tester for new MREs

When I first got into the service these were the selections we had for MREs

Dehydrated Pork Pattie
Dehydrated Beef Pattie
Ham & Chicken Loaf
Chicken Loaf
Beef Slices in BBQ Sauce
Beef Stew
Frankfurters with Beans
Turkey Diced with Gravy
Beef Diced with Gravy
Chicken Á La King
Meatballs & BBQ Sauce
Ham Slices

There was supposed to be one other - Ground beef with spiced sauce but I don't remember seeing it.

So I taste tested a bunch of stuff and rated it. If my opinions ever got an MRE into the menu that you hated, I'm sorry...

I wasn't the only tester :o
 
Whatever the selection it wont be what the troops want.Right before they phased out the 1911 they had just had IMI fill a order for slides,barrels,and internal parts.Para had just came out with their lowers and it would have been a match made in heaven.I was in the last M.P. company at McClellan that had to qualify with the 1911 and the M9.All the instructors and drill Sgts were ecstatic about 15 in the mag and brand new.
Having around 4 years of experience with the Beretta when we were sent to Saudi in 91 those with the right connections took our own 1911's.Two things i learned,Major Thompson was right,and become good friends with your supply Sargent.
 
What an absolutely ridiculous article. Lots of rhetoric and not a morsel of real information...

>>“honestly just throw the thing rather than try to shoot it. I have never seen one work correctly.”

Unit commander's love it when their enlistees get national press for comments like this...

I seriously doubt the M9 is going anywhere anything soon.
 
The best new military pistol was developed several years ago: the FN 5.7

Lightweight, high capacity, mucho velocity, low recoil, armor penetrating, yawing bullet, flat shooting, expensive...what more do you want in a military gun? True, it's just a hopped up .22 caliber, but I'd take this option over 9mm ball in a handgun any day.
 
My friend told me about a switch a week or so ago, said his brother in laws dad told him about it and they would be switching by the end of next year. I asked him what made him a credible source, he said he works in HR at one of the bases. Not very credible to me, so I went looking around only found the armytimes article. So I made him a bet, they switch by the end of 2012 I'll buy him a surplus m9, they don't he buys me a brand new one. Some how I don't think he's going to honor the bet lol :D
 
The Army likes to hang on to things for a long, long time. They will spend a lot of money to upgrade borderline obsolete vehicles and aircraft just to keep things familiar to troops. I used to crew Vietnam era helicopters...in the mid 90's. The Chanook is still out there carrying troops and payloads too. Thin skinned Hummers are still patroling the battlefield. Just look at the upgrades they have made to the AR/M-16 weapons systems. Untill they perfect rocket bullets or laser blasters...look for the M9 to be on the hip of our Armed Forces.

Also we switched to the 9mm because most of our allies use it.
 
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