New Mexico Man Eaten this Week by Cougar While Skinny Dipping -- OUCH!!
- Thread starter LanceOregon
- Start date
LanceOregon
Moderator
So all you can respond with is this totally condescending statement towards me??
Remember that you have very badly insulted me here in another forum on this website in the past in a most extremely personal and offensive manner.
You need to get off your high horse Playboy, and stop acting so superior towards others that you disagree with.
.
Bob Lee Swagger
New member
How effective is 9mmP against a cougar or similarly sized cat? 
Playboypenguin
Moderator
You see someone asking you to become better informed on a subject you chose to speak on without any knowledge of as condescending and an insult?
I could have chosen to tear your statement apart with information of how much money and time are spent each year by wildlife management trying to repair the damage of over population of prey species due to a lack of natural predators and I could have chosen to take you to task on the fact that you chose to speak out against a statement I made, not because of and opposing knowledge you possess but instead out of simple pissyness (not sure that is a word but it should be) towards the messenger and not the message.
Instead I gave you a chance to do some research and then weigh in once more. Which you seem to have declined to do.
I am sure if I had insulted you "in a most extremely personal and offensive manner" in the past I would remember it. If you perceived such a slight from something that was not intended that way (nor viewed that way by administrators) I am sorry and would gladly issue a public apology, but I have little control over your perceptions.
Mach II Sailor
Moderator
he should have gone into deeper water...., providing there was some, normaly cats hate water and if their feet can not touch bottom they will not venture into it !!
Where cougars are legally hunted but only a sensible number killed each year, they perform their job of keeping the game populations healthy and do it while avoiding contact with the two-legged animals that brings pain and death.
Most cougar, bear, and coyote attacks on people occur where they are unhunted and have increased in numbers beyond the capacity of their food supply.
Most cougar, bear, and coyote attacks on people occur where they are unhunted and have increased in numbers beyond the capacity of their food supply.
SugarmillMan
New member
Rubber Bullets?? Maybe they should send them to Mayor Bloomberg in NYC. He can issue them to his NYPD bodyguards.
That's what we did in Maine, and now when I'm outside I don't have to worry about cougars. I do however have to check myself for ticks when I come in, and if I miss one that is smaller than a period in this post I could end up with Lyme disease. So maybe we should eradicate deer, chipmunks, squirrels and mice too.
I've got thousands of ticks on my four acres that want to jump on me and then hide while they infect me with a disease that could ruin my life. I'm not saying that there's a direct connection between Lyme disease and eliminating apex predators, but simply that there are unforeseen consequences to messing around with nature.
azsixshooter
New member
I always carry my 686 in the field here in AZ. Especially when I'm pred-calling for bobcat. Usually I set up with my back to a steep rock wall or something like that, but once I was calling up around the Verde Rim and got pretty nervous about a canyon behind me. When I first set up, I thought it was a really steep drop-off down into this thick canyon with a lot of rugged cliff ledges down in it. When I looked over the edge though it wasn't very steep at all, a cougar could easily have jumped up over that rim and would be about 20 feet away from me. I left after calling for about 30 minutes, but I was looking over my shoulder constantly, half-expecting to see a lion in mid-pounce.
Cats often ambush there pray, attacking from behind and biting the back of the neck. This will sever the spine, killing all most instantly, he may have never have known or had a chance. Cougars are very skilled at what they do and deserve respect. Use caution when in there areas.
cool hand luke 22:36
New member
You're missing about 300 years of history there.
Large predators WERE wiped out in most of the lower 48, and we got along just fine without them.
It is recent efforts at conservation, hunting bans, and reintroduction programs that has returned many of these large predators to the lower 48, and for no good reason.
None of these species were endangered. they all existed in abundence in Canada, Alaska, Central and South America.
There was no need to reintroduce the grizzly or wolf back to Yellowstone for example. There were abundent populations elsewhere.
This is human life being sacrificed on the alter of environmental extremism bordering on religious zealotry.
cool hand luke 22:36
New member
Lyme disease got its start in S.E. Connecticut due to hunting bans that resulted in an astonishing overpopulation of deer. The fuzzy-headed liberals still fight hunts to control the deer population there, prefering "birth control" baits.
You can't seriously be proposing to reintroduce the cougar back to Connecticut and Rhode Island. (Some reports indicate that they're back already).
Welcome to the club.
I put the blame on hunting bans, not the lack of apex predators. The cougar disappeard from Connecticut by the early 1800's. Why wasn't Lyme disease pandemnic back then?
It's apparent that this cat had harassed local people before. Once a dangerous predator loses its fear of humans its just a matter of time until an unpleasant interaction occurs. It needs to be destroyed at the earliest opportunity in order to prevent this.
Any threatening or stalking behavior, by animals capable of inflicting serious injury, should be met with a big dose of lead- on the first offense, or as shortly thereafter as is possible.
State Fish & Game outfits would generally prefer that you not shoot up their predatory fauna unless you are under direct attack, and the speed and ferocity of these attacks offer little or no time to react. It is therefore my policy to shoot any potentially dangerous animal that stalks or 'squares up' on me. If I get crossways with Fish & Game at some point, perhaps my inconvenience will have saved some poor soul like Mr. Nawojski.
Any threatening or stalking behavior, by animals capable of inflicting serious injury, should be met with a big dose of lead- on the first offense, or as shortly thereafter as is possible.
State Fish & Game outfits would generally prefer that you not shoot up their predatory fauna unless you are under direct attack, and the speed and ferocity of these attacks offer little or no time to react. It is therefore my policy to shoot any potentially dangerous animal that stalks or 'squares up' on me. If I get crossways with Fish & Game at some point, perhaps my inconvenience will have saved some poor soul like Mr. Nawojski.
Gentlemen, please, no cat fights [insert laugh here]. I am not in favor of the mass killing of predators, they have as much a right to live as you or I and are needed for balance. How ever, a carefully controlled hunting limit would restore the fear of humans and reduce contact.
Double Naught Spy
New member
This is the sort of attitude that is often taught, but gets folks into trouble. For some reasons, humans like to feel superior and broadcast such, saying that other animals fear them. However, few of us would claim fear when it comes to engaging in cautious behavior. Because you choose to not go into potentially dangerous situations does not mean you are afraid. Large predators do often tend to avoid humans, but this behavior should not be associated with 'fearing' humans. They may see humans as a threat, but then again they see other predators as threats. That isn't the same as fear. Just because a predator attacks a human does not mean it has lost any 'fear' of human. It may be there because of being biologically or environmentally forced into attempting to take a less than ideal prey animal.
Also, the results haven't been released and it does not appear that they know for certain if the cat in question was killed or not, but there is a good chance the cat was underweight (likely dietary stress), less than 2 years of age (see article noted above).
Ruthless4christ
New member
I many times do a bit of trecking up in the rainforest areas of guatemala(both for work and for pleasure) some of the most lovely walks i have ever had in my life, and have spent up to a week or two camping/birdwatching/learning survival techniques from the natives. down here we have jaguars and they can get pretty hungry and are reputed to stealing away lost people once in a while. i have spotted a couple from a ways off and have seen there tracks many a time, and choose two lines of defense.
.1 is always have a dog with me, preferably my German sheapherd (which i no longer ahve
)
.2 my double barreled 12 guage sawed off shotgun strapped to my backpack.
although i cannot say whether I have or have not ever encountered one of these animals, as the animal protection laws here in guatemala are stricter and carried out more often than those punishing murder.
.1 is always have a dog with me, preferably my German sheapherd (which i no longer ahve
).2 my double barreled 12 guage sawed off shotgun strapped to my backpack.
although i cannot say whether I have or have not ever encountered one of these animals, as the animal protection laws here in guatemala are stricter and carried out more often than those punishing murder.