New Iraqi Government Doomed From Beginning?

Oh, I see. What you're doing is critiquing the work of someone who read the document in question, without having read it yourself. And your learned conclusion: he's "dumb".

Glad you were able to clear that up for us. :rolleyes:
Rich
 
How do you know he read the document in question? On the contrary, I am certain he did not.
Maybe you can show where the author reads Arabic or has any qualification to discuss the issue? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
Rabbi-
Can't you see I'm agreeing with you? The guy mentioned Nazi's in context of totalitarian, fascist regimes. He must be "dumb". Probably never read the document; certainly made up all those quotes from the proposed Constitution also.

I thank you for your insight. He'd certainly have pullled the wool over my eyes were it not for your keen observation and talented investigation.
Rich
 
Gee Rich,
I'm glad we agree then. Your responses to my issues with the article tells me you're the kind of critical thinker I've come to expect on these boards. I'm glad you felt you could present views openly and without sarcasm or recrimination, just sticking to the issues. I am sure we all have a much clearer view of Iraq and its constitution thanks to your tireless efforts here posting informative, well-researched articles by known experts in the field.
Have a great day, big guy!
 
You're quite welcome, Rabbi.

Attached are the sources from which the author worked; complete with credits and authenticity queries.

Of course, he did mention Nazi's....that WAS your "issue", was it not? He's obviously a flake.
Nothing to see here, people. Move along now. :D
Rich
 

Attachments

This current draft—like the earlier one—is still very much a work in progress. There are someThis current draft—like the earlier one—is still very much a work in progress. There are some editorial errors in the text (such as a spliced sentence and an incorrect date) and some repetition.
Public comments by Commission members indicate that the process of technical review has not yet begun. Therefore this document should be regarded as an indication of the subcommittee’s inclinations, but significant changes are still possible.
The various subcommittees will each complete a section of the draft; an additional subcommittee is working to coordinate among the groups. Thus, this draft bill of rights is not only rough but also preliminary: it has not yet been formally approved by the Commission.
General observations on the draft
􀂄 Numerous Iraqis connected with the drafting process have suggested that the constitution will replicate the basic structures created by the Transitional Administrative Law (or TAL, the interim constitution written before the dissolution of the American-led Coalition Provisional Authority last year). There are some indications (in the provisions on federalism and the parliament) that this will indeed be the case. Yet the draft bill of rights
is clearly not based on the TAL (while it does borrow some elements).
􀂄 The document makes very extensive welfare commitments. This is not unusual in more recent constitutions, but it is a marked departure from the TAL. In contrast to the earlier draft published in al-Mada, however, this draft makes fewer promises and acknowledges the fiscal limitations of the state.
􀂄 While the rights provisions are extensive, there are actually significant qualifications. Sometimes these relate to religion, morals, and values. This gives the document a very conservative flavor.
􀂄 More often qualifications on rights occur in implementing legislation. European constitutions introduced phrasing that suggested that freedoms be defined by law. The original purpose of such provisions was to ensure that only parliament (as the agent of the entire society) would define the way in which a right would operate. This took the task out of the hands of the monarch and the executive and placed it in the hands of those
deputized by the nation. But over time it has become clear that defining a right might also mean limiting it. This could occur anywhere but seems especially likely in countries in which the parliament falls under executive domination. In such cases, rights might almost be defined out of existence. Indeed, this is the pattern in much of the Arab world. The drafting committee in Iraq has indicated that it is writing a more parliamentary document,
which might diminish but certainly cannot eliminate the possibility of rights being deprived out of their meaning by implementing legislation. Some countries have attempted to forestall such a possibility by including a constitutional provision that implementing legislation cannot limit the essence of a right. No such provision is

Gee, Rich. I wish the author of the article posted had actually read these words. He might have come to a slightly different conclusion than that the US was implementing the Third Reich in Baghdad.
But thanks for supplying this. It really clarifies the author's competance.
 
OK, you got me again Rabbi.

I made the "dumb" mistake of actually reading the word "draft" in the second paragraph of the referenced article: "A look at the Iraqi constitution, which is now in its draft form,". I should have ignored that word, "draft"....I see that now.

Couldn't put one over on you, could I? Of course, it now appears that you no longer charge the writer with "not having read" the document. You charge him with having the temerity to analyze a "draft" copy prior to final law. After all, the Committee has another two days to amend it before sending it to the Legislature.

How dare the man comment before the process is complete. Most important, how dare he mention Nazi's in context of Ethnic Purity and Totalitarianism. You're right. The guy's just "dumb". ;)

Funny though. I don't recall that the writer ever indicated this "Draft" was written by, insisted upon or instigated by the US. Did you see that there?
Rich
 
The Rabbi said:
Then again the meathead who wrote that article would probably have trouble finding Iraq on a map, much less have any knowledge of its language or culture and that clearly didnt stop him.

Bassem Mroue has been reporting for the AP from the mideast for about 13 years, specifically Baghdad for the past several years. He is based in Lebanon. I believe I recall that he is fluent in both Arabic and English, but have no proof of that.
 
Bassem Mroue has been reporting for the AP from the mideast for about 13 years, specifically Baghdad for the past several years. He is based in Lebanon. I believe I recall that he is fluent in both Arabic and English, but have no proof of that.

I meant the one by "Justin Raymondo". I didnt read the Mroue article.
 
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