New Home Defence Shotgun

I give up.

Unless your State Legislature has something there about no civil suit can be brought against you if you are cleared from a police or prosecutions perspective, you are fair game for the hearse chasers. I won't post any more on this topic.
 
KG, The CD law in Fla does remove the risk of civil suit. If the DA determines it was a "clean shoot" within the right to use lethal force for defense than the BG nor his family can file suit... As soon as the paperwork is related to a clean shoot, it becomes toilet paper.
Brent
 
HELLO!!! anyone home!??
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Hmmmm, would I rather be dead or sued? I'll take sued. But in any case I have 1.5 million in liability coverage and the insurance company is going to defend against any suit right to the death. Second there isn't a jury within 50 miles of here that would give a darn if you used a bazooka as long as it was in your home and felt threatened. Meanwhile I'll be suing his shyster for filing a frivolous lawsuit.

Anyway you're an adult and you're free to worry more about lawyers than death. That's your right. Please respect my right you care more about survival than lawyers. Best just to agree to disagree.
 
We're not talking about your rights in your home nor are we talking about castle rights, talking about CIVIL litigation, are you familar at all with that term??? You can get sued these days because the coffee you bought was too hot. HELLO!!! anyone home!??
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Not in my neck of the woods, civil case wouldn't make it anywhere near a courtroom, and you could probably make the intruder's next of kin pay you for ammunition costs.

18-1-704.5. Use of deadly physical force against an intruder.
Statute text

(1) The general assembly hereby recognizes that the citizens of Colorado have a right to expect absolute safety within their own homes.

(2) Notwithstanding the provisions of section 18-1-704, any occupant of a dwelling is justified in using any degree of physical force, including deadly physical force, against another person when that other person has made an unlawful entry into the dwelling, and when the occupant has a reasonable belief that such other person has committed a crime in the dwelling in addition to the uninvited entry, or is committing or intends to commit a crime against a person or property in addition to the uninvited entry, and when the occupant reasonably believes that such other person might use any physical force, no matter how slight, against any occupant.

(3) Any occupant of a dwelling using physical force, including deadly physical force, in accordance with the provisions of subsection (2) of this section shall be immune from criminal prosecution for the use of such force.

(4) Any occupant of a dwelling using physical force, including deadly physical force, in accordance with the provisions of subsection (2) of this section shall be immune from any civil liability for injuries or death resulting from the use of such force.
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The only real loophole in that is subsection 4 does not protect against civil suit for property damage, so I guess if the bad guy's cell phone got hit with some buckshot, and it had significant sentimental value to the family you could be sued for, like, $200.
 
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Been away for some time and I was sad to see this thread go in the direction that did, oh well no harm in a little debate huh.

Laws are laws; they are made by men and interpreted by men. Even in this day and age I will take my chances with a jury regardless of my current or future state laws. Some states are ridiculous as they do not allow the use of deadly force in any circumstance. They would rather an entire family perish than one criminal.

As far as maker I am not sure. I haven’t gotten back to the shop to check it out like I wanted to. I will look into the maker as well as post pictures whenever possible.

I have been buying ammunition here and there when available and picked up a few boxes of 00 Buck, #4 Buck, and #4 lead to see how each will work.
 
Laws are laws; they are made by men and interpreted by men. Even in this day and age I will take my chances with a jury regardless of my current or future state laws. Some states are ridiculous as they do not allow the use of deadly force in any circumstance. They would rather an entire family perish than one criminal.
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While I agree with you in principle, I'm not willing to spend time in prison for defending myself, just as I am not willing to be a victim.

If your state won't allow you the right to life, move out. I know I will.
 
While I agree with you in principle, I'm not willing to spend time in prison for defending myself, just as I am not willing to be a victim.

If your state won't allow you the right to life, move out. I know I will.
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In the unlikely event that I find myself in the situation that I "must" defend myself I am not going to be worrying about jail time. The idea that I would have to take a human life worries me more than the possibility of going to jail for defending myself.

In reality moving to another state is not always an option. With an ever failing economy and lack of work from the top to bottom it is harder now to relocate than before.

I envy those who can just pick up and leave. It is something that I wish I were able to do.
 
V.Hunter,your choice is a good one. I would amend it to include an 18.5 bbl. cut and add Uncle Mikes swivel studs just in case you may need them in the future. You prefer a steel reciever and that is your decission.Steel is good.Extra weight = less felt recoil.tom.:cool:
 
Sounds good to me. I really like the High Standard/J C Higgins pumpguns a lot. I have a couple of HS riot guns, and have been picking up the occasional Higgins marked sporting pumpgun when I find one in good shape at a good price- not too hard to do if you give it time.

As far as I'm concerned, there's no smoother pumpgun around than the HS Flite King/Higgins Model 20 (the smaller guages in the Model 20 are a different design and not as smooth as the 12 gauges). The old tilting bolt design (like in the Model 12 Winchester) really is slick.

Far as I'm concerned, a 4-round magazine is an acceptable starting place for HD. It's more critical IMHO for a defensive shotgunner to know how to load the gun (shoot one load one) under pressure than to have a magazine tube long enough to poke the BG in the eye from across the room. Having more ammo on the gun is my preference, but hanging on the HS riot gun handy to the computer desk here is an old Claymore bag with a handful of buckshot in one pouch and slugs in the other- just in case.

As to the modifications you're making, by coincidence one of my local 'smiths is doing very much the same thing to an old Montgomery Ward- marked Stevens 520 12 gauge I picked up (cheap) the other week. When he's done, the old Browning-designed double hump pumpgun will have an 18.5" barrel, Tritium bead, and a 13" LOP buttstock with a LimbSaver recoil pad fitted. The parts and labor will cost more than the used but not abused base shotgun did- but I'll have a great old take-down shotgun to travel with, that can do very well in the defensive role if it's ever needed.

So I think you made a great choice for a base gun, and I can find no fault with your short list of modifications either. Enjoy it in good health, and I hope it never has to fill its intended role for you.

lpl
 
I was at the shop today, it is a Model 20 and like Lee Lapin said made by High Standard.

The smith has run into a small problem as the "retaining bar" I believe he called it is not allowing the shotgun to feed properly. Seeing as it was in his shop he is fixing that on the house before he starts the other modifications.

Glad to hear that others have the same idea.

I did get to pick up one rifle he was working on, a 22 MAG Henry lever gun that he did wonders with the trigger for me. He amazes me, I have factory guns that he has gone over, cleaned, adjusted and bedded for me that rival many so called "custom" rifles I have handled and shot at the range.

It is great to have a gifted smith within just a few miles.
 
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