New Glock models (unofficially) announced for 2015
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Uncle Malice
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Why are revolvers so popular?
I'll take 16 RDS of underwood or buffalo bore 10mm over 6 RDS of 44 mag any day.
Especially if looking for a hiking gun. I had the Ruger Alaskan 44mag. Out of a 2 in barrel like the Alaskan, the 10mm out of g20 provides more energy. Not to mention almost 3 times the capacity, in a lighter package.
I understand how much more power 44 mag gives out of a6 inch barrel, but that's a heavy gun. The g40 should be an awesome performer.
I'll take 16 RDS of underwood or buffalo bore 10mm over 6 RDS of 44 mag any day.
Especially if looking for a hiking gun. I had the Ruger Alaskan 44mag. Out of a 2 in barrel like the Alaskan, the 10mm out of g20 provides more energy. Not to mention almost 3 times the capacity, in a lighter package.
I understand how much more power 44 mag gives out of a6 inch barrel, but that's a heavy gun. The g40 should be an awesome performer.
silvermane_1
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WildBill45, there are so many "fails" in your post, it's not even funny:
1) there is no such thing as "K" Frame in 44 Rem Mag, and if there was it was a "custom" made one, that sounds an a lot like a "hand grenade" waiting to happen.
2) the 10mm is a big bore round, and some of the "warmer" loads equal 41 mag factory loads in power
3)if the G40 is basically a longslide version of the G20, then that means it will hold 14+1 compared to a 6 shot wheelgun
4)i never heard of a "Yogo" car, but i have heard of a "Yugo"
1) there is no such thing as "K" Frame in 44 Rem Mag, and if there was it was a "custom" made one, that sounds an a lot like a "hand grenade" waiting to happen.
2) the 10mm is a big bore round, and some of the "warmer" loads equal 41 mag factory loads in power
3)if the G40 is basically a longslide version of the G20, then that means it will hold 14+1 compared to a 6 shot wheelgun
4)i never heard of a "Yogo" car, but i have heard of a "Yugo"
Rattlehead
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I'm still waiting for Glock to roll out a 1911, if only to watch some ardent fanboys' (on both sides) heads explode...
Independent George
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Maybe not a Yugo, but a Shelby engine in a Civic sounds kind of awesome.
Model12Win
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I'm still looking for the Glockabine, the Kel Tec Sub 2000 killer.
BTW: 10mm is every bit as effective as .44 magnum when talking about similar barrel lengths. Only in the long 6-8 3/8" barrels does the .44 have an advantage, and even then it is slight. But at that barrel length you're talking one anchor of a handgun, making practical field carry extremely difficult... not to mention the 300% increase in ammunition capacity and rapid reload speed that leaves the revolver in the dust. I love my revolvers but for serious uses like wilderness defense, the 10mm rules.
The famous Slædepatruljen Sirius of Denmark use the Glock 20 for defense against POLAR BEARS, not .44 sixguns.
That should tell you something.
BTW: 10mm is every bit as effective as .44 magnum when talking about similar barrel lengths. Only in the long 6-8 3/8" barrels does the .44 have an advantage, and even then it is slight. But at that barrel length you're talking one anchor of a handgun, making practical field carry extremely difficult... not to mention the 300% increase in ammunition capacity and rapid reload speed that leaves the revolver in the dust. I love my revolvers but for serious uses like wilderness defense, the 10mm rules.
The famous Slædepatruljen Sirius of Denmark use the Glock 20 for defense against POLAR BEARS, not .44 sixguns.
That should tell you something.
Pond James Pond
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It does seem odd that the only company not making a "Glock" carbine is Glock. Lots of the others seem to use Glock mags as a feed...
I think they will need to diversify soon. They have seemingly reached the and of their design's potential. There is only so much you can do with the available service calibres when all you guns are basically all the same across 3 (now 4) size categories, with essentially just changes in barrel. With those limitations, creativity and diversity are hampered to say the least.
I'm not out to defend the .44mag, nor denigrate the 10mm, but the old BBTI sight sort of says otherwise.
Out of a 4" the 200gr factory loads are quite similar for both, but that is near 10mm max bullet weight, but only starting weight for .44. If you reach 240gr and above the .44 is pushing 1250fps. My own Redhawk can get a 300gr slug up to about 1200fps.
As for the Danes, I suspect capacity, weight and most importantly cost are deciding factors there.
But, as I said, I have nothing against the 10mm. In fact I find it quite an interesting cartridge however no-one, but no-one sells it here.
I'd have to reload and that ain't cheap if I can't use plated bullets: 10mm FMJs are on sale here, but are about €0.17 a bullet!!
If that weren't the case, and if I didn't have to sell something I already have to make space, I'd be seriously tempted in a 10mm Glock as another woods gun. Hunters often carry another gun as a coup-de-grace weapon here, and a Glock 20 is doubtless lighter on the hip than my Ruger!
All the same, like you, I like my Ruger way too much to ever consider a swap there and my 9m is just too cheap to shoot to swap that, and I'm not swapping a long-gun for a pistol. Not now that I have what I want.
I still have a sizeable soft-spot for Glocks.
They still scream "no-nonsense efficacy and dependability" to me, so I'll be interested to see what they are like.
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Glenn E. Meyer
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I really don't see the purpose of a carbine shooting a pistol caliber. They are not optimal long guns given the development of the smaller AR models. Attempts to market 9mm caliber guns for cops as a politically correct alternative to 223s hasn't been sucessful.
The 9mm SMG is fading as compared to the small 223s. You can get AR platforms that shoot 9mm.
So why tool up for such a niche market> Let Kel-tec or the AR clones do the pistol carbine market?
As far as having an old design- well, 1911s still strive.
Glock's attempt at something new - the GAP was not a big success. Unless they can come up with a new something that will be popular - a conservative approach might be the best.
The 9mm SMG is fading as compared to the small 223s. You can get AR platforms that shoot 9mm.
So why tool up for such a niche market> Let Kel-tec or the AR clones do the pistol carbine market?
As far as having an old design- well, 1911s still strive.
Glock's attempt at something new - the GAP was not a big success. Unless they can come up with a new something that will be popular - a conservative approach might be the best.
You mean something like this? And yep, it's real, lol.
As to the "new" Glock models, it's nice to see more options, but as others have said, it's pretty much same old same old. A single stack 9, and .40, to go along with the "new" .380 and .45, would be nice, and might make me want to buy Glock again. Maybe.
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I'm not sure it's really fair to say it's super popular on the level of 9mm or 40SW. Those who like the cartridge really like it, it seems, but I can't imagine it's a huge market. I have nothing to argue it's growing, either, other than the fact that from time to time 10mm Auto pistols are offered on the market.
Among those who like the 10mm, myself included, I see the following reasons for the joy: it's among the most versatile auto-pistol cartridges available in the sense that it can be successfully loaded across a wide range of loads, with a wide range of bullets. At its upper end, it can easily surpass 45ACP in the numbers game, and yet even in double-stack configurations can be produced in handguns having negligible added bulk over a 1911.
It is without any reservation the Ideal auto pistol cartridge, IMO, for my purposes and interests.
It is often compared to the .41 Rem Mag as being 'almost equivalent to' or 'nearly the equal of', and I just don't see it being even in the same ballpark. IMO that's really stretching the imagination--and that's something the 10mm fans I see online are pretty familiar with: the somewhat laughable reputation 10mm has as some sort of super-cartridge. It isn't. But, it impresses me enough to make it my No. 1 choice for CCW and for pure fun.
Assuming most 10mm shooters are handloaders (which may not be true), then I think 10mm is quite a bit less expensive to shoot than any bigger-bore revolver cartridge (also handloaded). I load cast bullets for most loads--buying bullets is pretty much out of the question due to the outrageous cost--although I keep enough XTPs on hand to load my carry ammo and enough for testing and practice, etc.
I certainly wouldn't argue with anyone who says a big-bore revolver probably makes a more effective weapon against dangerous animals. If I was seriously concerned about such encounters I think I'd prefer to carry a short 12ga shotgun such as the Kel-Tec KSG for example. For downtown concealed carry, however, make mine the 10. It's a wonderful little round.
I think if I were issued a G20 with the notion I'd defend myself against an upset polar bear, I'd be looking for another employer with a bit less of a sense of humor.
Honestly, I've never shot an animal in my life...polar bear just seem pretty big to me to be ******* off with a handgun.
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Nakanokalronin
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Not a surprise since they know the G42 sales would plummet at that point. Right now people are buying the G42 just to have a smaller Glock than the G26 no matter what caliber it's in. I'd still bet anyone that the single stack 9mm Glock will be significantly bigger than the G42 and even against competitors single stack 9s.
Glenn E. Meyer
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The polar bear gun is issued as backup to long arms, IIRC.
WildBill let me pile on here and tell you the Shelby Cobra of the '60's WAS created by putting a high horsepower Ford V8 in a light weight British AC sports car.
Ha Ha WildBill, I hereby sentence you to a day with Les Baer who can tell you about Shelby cars and guns!!!
But wait! A day with Les Baer would be great! I take it back WildBill-I mean I'll take your sentence myself and spend the day with Les Baer. You don't need to...please don't invoke the 'no take backs' rule!