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Fingers McGee
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I'm in
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I just joined too!
Since this area is almost void of "Real" BP I am often forced to shoot substitutes and I am going to appreciate this new Forums outlook on the stuff!
So far I have had exactlly one pound of real BP to shoot so I am definatelly in need of an education on the real thing!
ZVP
Since this area is almost void of "Real" BP I am often forced to shoot substitutes and I am going to appreciate this new Forums outlook on the stuff!
So far I have had exactlly one pound of real BP to shoot so I am definatelly in need of an education on the real thing!
ZVP
Bill Akins
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Not trying to be a smart Alec here Hawg, but if it is going to be a "non modern", "historical" forum where only Victorian and pre Victorian design black powder guns and replicas thereof are being discussed, then why is the relatively modern, all coil spring, 1950's design, Ruger Old Army being allowed? Would a Ruger Old Army such as this be allowed for discussion?....
In the same vein, if as you said, it allows discussions on brass frame black powder guns there, would discussions on any non modern style design brass frame black powder gun be allowed? Like this brass frame, expanding on the historical Jonathan Browning harmonica black powder, muzzleloading rifle concept?
It's brass framed, and isn't modern, but just an expanding on the old Jonathan Browning harmonica rifle design and it is black powder and a muzzle loader too. Not that I might necessarily post about that one, but since it is brass framed and based on the historical Jonathan Browning black powder muzzleloading harmonica rifles, I am wondering if it qualifies for discussion. I just want to know what qualifies for discussion and what doesn't. And if that one wouldn't qualify for discussion because it was gas operated, what about this manually hand cranked,black powder, muzzleloading, brass frame, harmonica rifle that is based on the historical harmonica pistols and rifles?.....
As I'm sure you're aware, once restrictions are made on what kind of black powder designs can be discussed, without having a 3 inch thick book explaining exactly what can and cannot be discussed, it can quickly become an arbitrary on the spot decision situation not covered under the listed rules, where either admin or the moderators arbitrarily disallow some discussions even though those discussion subjects don't violate the listed rules. In that case members don't really know what they can post and what they can't.
One of the things I really appreciate about the Firing Line black powder forum is that as long as it shoots black powder and or if it is a cowboy style gun, members know it is allowed to be discussed. That's a simple set of rules everyone can easily understand. No possibility of being arbitrary or ambiguity.
I'm seriously not trying to be a smart Alec or split hairs here Hawg.
I just want to make sure I understand the rules before posting there.
I don't want to post anything there I shouldn't nor start out on the wrong foot.
What is traditional and historical, brass framed and allowed to be discussed and not discussed, are going to have to be very specific in the rules to avoid moderation problems.
The reason I posted this for your consideration, was precisely because I don't want to cause any moderation problems and wanted to clearly understand the rules.
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, here we go again..........
Fingers McGee
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Thanks for the jpeg steve.
Well Wog, you know I'm not fond of unoriginal brass frames or ROA's but like I said we're not a hard line thread counting reenactors forum. We're trying to give the bp community something they don't have a lot of. A place to talk about their traditinal guns in a more structured setting with a more laid back atmosphere. Whether I like it or not brass frames and ROA's are part of that community. There won't be any animosity shown towards these guns, maybe some light hearted teasing
Come check it out for yourself, see what we're about.
Come check it out for yourself, see what we're about.That's good to know.
I was more concerned with it becoming a place to argue loudly about what is acceptable, rather than picking on you.
I have modern repro, not brass, but there could be an argument that gets silly & it becomes another of those forums (forae???) where they exclusive themselves out of existence.
I was more concerned with it becoming a place to argue loudly about what is acceptable, rather than picking on you.
I have modern repro, not brass, but there could be an argument that gets silly & it becomes another of those forums (forae???) where they exclusive themselves out of existence.
W. C. Quantrill
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What Hawg is sayin is, if you can document that an original was made before the year 1900, and used black powder, and you have one or an accurate replica of one, then bring it on. Actually, I think that there was an early design of percussion rifle made in the 1840's or 1850's that was in fact, an inline, it had a center hammer with the percussion nipple on the back of the breechplug. There is a patent that was issued for it, however only a dozen or so were made. Colin Stoltzer or Mike Lange built one from the patent drawings and found out why it was not successful. The blow back from the nipple hit the shooter right in the face, so it doesnt take long to discuss that.
Actually there was a great lot of really neat designs in the last half of the 1800's. A lot of them havent had a lot of ink time, so this new forum is to discover as much of that as we can and learn from it, as well as history of the westward expansion of the US. I lived on the Santa Fe Trail for 20 years, that era interests me. Some like the earlier stuff. Its all a part of us.
We particularly enjoy stories and pictures of building projects, so if you are building rifles, or pistols or guns or cannons, that will be very popular threads.
In research, failure is just as important as success. That prevents someone else from making the same expensive mistakes. Starting in the 1960's, there was a flood of replica rifles hit the market. They were almost all called a "Hawken". The funny thing is, that the mother of that tribe was listed in the 1875 Tryon catalog as the Tryon Indian Trade Rifle--half stock, brass trim, single key, and a patch box in the stock. Trivia is good.
If you have something really neat and original, or have a copy of an original, then bring it on. Arguing for the sake of arguing kills threads. There will be some gals in the forum and possibly kids of the forum members, so the only rule that really stands out is that. Keep it family oriented.
So, Bill, I say, build one of those Browning designs, do a tutorial on it, and a You Tube of you firing it, and by golly, we will make you your own forum for that. Hows that?
Actually there was a great lot of really neat designs in the last half of the 1800's. A lot of them havent had a lot of ink time, so this new forum is to discover as much of that as we can and learn from it, as well as history of the westward expansion of the US. I lived on the Santa Fe Trail for 20 years, that era interests me. Some like the earlier stuff. Its all a part of us.
We particularly enjoy stories and pictures of building projects, so if you are building rifles, or pistols or guns or cannons, that will be very popular threads.
In research, failure is just as important as success. That prevents someone else from making the same expensive mistakes. Starting in the 1960's, there was a flood of replica rifles hit the market. They were almost all called a "Hawken". The funny thing is, that the mother of that tribe was listed in the 1875 Tryon catalog as the Tryon Indian Trade Rifle--half stock, brass trim, single key, and a patch box in the stock. Trivia is good.
If you have something really neat and original, or have a copy of an original, then bring it on. Arguing for the sake of arguing kills threads. There will be some gals in the forum and possibly kids of the forum members, so the only rule that really stands out is that. Keep it family oriented.
So, Bill, I say, build one of those Browning designs, do a tutorial on it, and a You Tube of you firing it, and by golly, we will make you your own forum for that. Hows that?
Bill Akins
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Sounds great W.C. I'd like to accomplish that.
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Just to keep thread going. I got something I need a little advice on. I hope Fingers and Hawg read this. 2+ years ago I bought an orignal 49 pocket and an original 1862 38conversion police from an antique dealer in GA. I could not sell them quickly in store and called him back to see if he could sell them (now remember i paid cash for them He answered that he had buyers and to send them to him. Out of trust I did and he traded those guns and gave me a 50 dollar gift. I told him nicely many times that i just wanted to get back my $1500 dollar investment, He said times are hard and he would try. I was nice. But he said he got caught up in trades and was trying to figure out to disburse funds. But when July came around I had a lawyer(didn't want to) send him a 30 day letter and saying he was in breach of contract. He never responded. Would you go after him? I never knew that the older you get that you get too much on your plate. I never did anyone one on this thread or anybody either that wanted something from me that I couldn't deliver THIS IS HE
James W King/ Antique Guns/ Albany ,GA
Any advise? Or was I fool posting this. I don't think so
WBH
James W King/ Antique Guns/ Albany ,GA
Any advise? Or was I fool posting this. I don't think so
WBH
I understand why you'd want to limit the scope of the new forum to the 95% who are interested in traditional BP guns, and I'd include Rugers in that, but I wouldn't try to muzzle anybody or turn anybody away who wanted to express himself in a civil way. What I would do though, is to set up a "Looney Toons" category, actually I'd probably call it "Miscellaneous" although I'd think of it as "Looney Toons", and I'd allow the moderator of the forum the latitude to determine whether someones thread starter about a semi-auto black powder laser gun should be in the "Loony Toons" category or in one of the traditional categories.