scrubcedar
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Magpul is threatening to leave the state. http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_22641524/magpul-standing-firm-threat-leave-colorado-if-gun
New Colorado Gun bill bans standard pump shotguns
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Well, they just advanced Bill 1224. It will most likely pass out of the Senate.
I watched virtually all 5 hours of coverage of on Bill 1224. The proponents presented 1 point for the bill. The opponents presented about a hundred points against the bill.
The proponents were confronted on more than one occasion through amendments in which the only response to the confrontation was to flex their political muscle. On several occasions they were asked to present facts and data as to why this would be good for Colorado, to which they said nothing.
The opponents stated the following information:
1) An estimated 800 millions dollars will be lost in Colorado because of this bill. Several letters were read from companies not even in the firearms industry that have said that they will leave the state if this bill is signed into law. Hunters are being told to stay away.
2) The bill, as written, basically bans ALL detachable magazines since nearly all detachable magazines are "readily convertible" or "modifiable" to accept more than 15 rounds. Also, since the weapons that use these magazines need the magazines to function, basically they are implementing a confiscation program wherein an owner is grandfathered in but, once he or she dies, they can pass down the firearm, but the magazines will be illegal to obtain.
3) Sheriffs from across the state have said that these laws, especially the magazine ban and universal background check bill will be unenforceable.
All I saw was a bunch of scared liberals pushing an agenda for absolutely NO other reason other than they had the votes.
This bill(not to mention the other 6) will destroy Colorado if signed into law.
I watched virtually all 5 hours of coverage of on Bill 1224. The proponents presented 1 point for the bill. The opponents presented about a hundred points against the bill.
The proponents were confronted on more than one occasion through amendments in which the only response to the confrontation was to flex their political muscle. On several occasions they were asked to present facts and data as to why this would be good for Colorado, to which they said nothing.
The opponents stated the following information:
1) An estimated 800 millions dollars will be lost in Colorado because of this bill. Several letters were read from companies not even in the firearms industry that have said that they will leave the state if this bill is signed into law. Hunters are being told to stay away.
2) The bill, as written, basically bans ALL detachable magazines since nearly all detachable magazines are "readily convertible" or "modifiable" to accept more than 15 rounds. Also, since the weapons that use these magazines need the magazines to function, basically they are implementing a confiscation program wherein an owner is grandfathered in but, once he or she dies, they can pass down the firearm, but the magazines will be illegal to obtain.
3) Sheriffs from across the state have said that these laws, especially the magazine ban and universal background check bill will be unenforceable.
All I saw was a bunch of scared liberals pushing an agenda for absolutely NO other reason other than they had the votes.
This bill(not to mention the other 6) will destroy Colorado if signed into law.
Yes, they passed 5 of the 7 bills.
These are going to cost Coloradans big big time, in jobs, and it's going to cost the government big time in lost revenue, and I'll do my part on that front I assure you.
I have already written scathing letters, at this point it seems fair to notify each and every one of them that they have made lifelong political enemies.
These are going to cost Coloradans big big time, in jobs, and it's going to cost the government big time in lost revenue, and I'll do my part on that front I assure you.
I have already written scathing letters, at this point it seems fair to notify each and every one of them that they have made lifelong political enemies.
I too just sent off a few emails to various senators and the governor.
Maybe I'm wrong, but doesn't banning nearly all detachable magazines (because they can be modified), and therefore, the purchase of any firearm that uses them, a directly violation of the 2nd Amendment as stated in the Heller decision?
Maybe I'm wrong, but doesn't banning nearly all detachable magazines (because they can be modified), and therefore, the purchase of any firearm that uses them, a directly violation of the 2nd Amendment as stated in the Heller decision?
The governor will be on Mike Rosen's show on the 13th. The station is located at http://www.850koa.com. Click on the listen button at the top of the page.
The call-in number is 303-713-8585.
The call-in number is 303-713-8585.
First: I was screaming at the monitor "Demand a roll call vote!" They kept having voice votes and in one of them the "Noes" had it and the Speaker declared the measure is passed. The only time they actually had a count was when they had an amendment to vote on.
Second: I couldn't understand why they all wasted time declaring the virtues of the Second Amendment. The Colorado Constitution states the following (emphasis mine):
The Colorado Constitution declares that the right to arms is an individual right. It declares that this right shall not be called to question yet here they were calling the right to question.
The debate should have been centered around the declared individual right and demanding to know why this right is being called to question.
Second: I couldn't understand why they all wasted time declaring the virtues of the Second Amendment. The Colorado Constitution states the following (emphasis mine):
The Colorado Constitution declares that the right to arms is an individual right. It declares that this right shall not be called to question yet here they were calling the right to question.
The debate should have been centered around the declared individual right and demanding to know why this right is being called to question.
In other news, the sponsor of the liability bill pulled his bill. It is officially dead.
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This bill would have bumped heads with the federal law that protects arms dealers from liability so he was correct to pull it even if he was loathe to do so. The state was saved the cost of federal litigation. After this debacle, the state will need all of the money it can hang on to.
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This bill would have bumped heads with the federal law that protects arms dealers from liability so he was correct to pull it even if he was loathe to do so. The state was saved the cost of federal litigation. After this debacle, the state will need all of the money it can hang on to.
We are many.2014 is coming soon.Stay angry.Make change.
Colorado does not need to have a dem governor,legislature,etc.
It can be undone,and it all can be challenged.
Every gun owner needs to vow to never miss another vote.
Dog catcher,school board,mayor,they all count.
Just big game hunting is more revenue for Colorado than the ski industry.
Find out all the businesses and organizations that supported this garbage and vote with your dollar.
File,encourage,and support lawsuits.
I suspect Magpul may create a 15 rd Colorado edition of a P-mag.Buy lots of them!!
Matter of fact,I suggest all shooters turn their backs on ANYTHING that benefits the urban corridor /Denver area.
Broncos,Avs,Rockies,Coors,skiing,
Leverage the economic impact.
Start a "Boycott Colorado" nationwide.
And tell them why.
Colorado does not need to have a dem governor,legislature,etc.
It can be undone,and it all can be challenged.
Every gun owner needs to vow to never miss another vote.
Dog catcher,school board,mayor,they all count.
Just big game hunting is more revenue for Colorado than the ski industry.
Find out all the businesses and organizations that supported this garbage and vote with your dollar.
File,encourage,and support lawsuits.
I suspect Magpul may create a 15 rd Colorado edition of a P-mag.Buy lots of them!!
Matter of fact,I suggest all shooters turn their backs on ANYTHING that benefits the urban corridor /Denver area.
Broncos,Avs,Rockies,Coors,skiing,
Leverage the economic impact.
Start a "Boycott Colorado" nationwide.
And tell them why.
HiBC,
I agree with you, I have been doing this in a few different forms already.
I have not purchased a hunting/fishing license in CO since 2008 out of protest for the continuing ability of an out of state hunter to buy a tag from a landowner and harvest an elk, particularly in trophy units. All without said hunter having to participate in our drawing and preference point system.
I will go out of my way not to spend any money within the city and county of Denver, in protest of their long standing AWB. This goes for Boulder, CO as well. I can think of several instances where there was ONE business in Denver that had what I needed, I ordered it on-line to avoid paying sales tax in Denver, I have done this many, many times.
I take my voting very seriously, I don't miss elections, and i am always well informed on candidates voting records or public stances.
I do and will continue to boycott any business that supports anti-gun initiatives at any level, even to the point of goint without something (which I probably don't really need in the first place)
I agree with you, I have been doing this in a few different forms already.
I have not purchased a hunting/fishing license in CO since 2008 out of protest for the continuing ability of an out of state hunter to buy a tag from a landowner and harvest an elk, particularly in trophy units. All without said hunter having to participate in our drawing and preference point system.
I will go out of my way not to spend any money within the city and county of Denver, in protest of their long standing AWB. This goes for Boulder, CO as well. I can think of several instances where there was ONE business in Denver that had what I needed, I ordered it on-line to avoid paying sales tax in Denver, I have done this many, many times.
I take my voting very seriously, I don't miss elections, and i am always well informed on candidates voting records or public stances.
I do and will continue to boycott any business that supports anti-gun initiatives at any level, even to the point of goint without something (which I probably don't really need in the first place)
scrubcedar
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The magazine capacity limits passed. What were the others that made it?
scrubcedar
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How do you enforce a private sale ban without a registration system?
A couple of points:
You can selectively enforce it after the fact- one more charge to stack onto anybody that the .gov does not take a shine to. "Where did you buy your hunting rifle, Joe?" "A gun show, 15 years ago." Joe is innocent until proven guilty, but he'll feel the need to get a Lawyer and go to Court anyway (or fold like a discount tent). This costs Joe money and time. It costs the prosecution money and time, but this is not exactly a fair fight- compared to Joe's resources, the prosecution's are virtually unlimited.
Having a ban on private sales brings more fear and doubt to Joe Sixpack, such that he may opt to sell his guns, or not buy them in the first place. Anything to make ownership more expensive, hazardous and inconvenient will serve to reduce ownership.
Once ownership is reduced to the point that there is no political constituancy that can defend it, then anything goes ....... this is now a Democracy, after all, because the Constitution is a "living document" and means whatever political appointees (judges) say it means.
"How does a bird eat an elephant, you ask? Why, in flocks, one bite at a time." That is the Progressive Model, in a nutshell.
scrubcedar
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Wow, I'm not sure I've seen this poorly thought out and written of laws, and these people have been fooling with the banking industry without knowing the consequences of their actions for years.
budoboy
You sure about that?
http://www.timescall.com/news/longmo...-battles-state
Check out this little quote near the bottom:
Quote:
Larimer County Sheriff Justin Smith has urged state legislators to fill what he sees as a safety loophole and require gun owners in Colorado to register their firearms with the government.
Hey Larimer County, time to change sheriffs...
Update: HiBC clarifies that this was a misquote below:
http://www.reporterherald.com/news/l...-solve-problem
Keep calling and writing your senators.
You sure about that?
http://www.timescall.com/news/longmo...-battles-state
Check out this little quote near the bottom:
Quote:
Larimer County Sheriff Justin Smith has urged state legislators to fill what he sees as a safety loophole and require gun owners in Colorado to register their firearms with the government.
Hey Larimer County, time to change sheriffs...
Update: HiBC clarifies that this was a misquote below:
http://www.reporterherald.com/news/l...-solve-problem
Keep calling and writing your senators.
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Texascoonhunter
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Colorado Gun Band
The Law Enforcement agencies will be exempt from this law on their weapons. A little is never enough. Taxes keep going up and once gun bands get started there will be no end to it until all gun are band. Voters need to make their voices heard to their representatives and make sure the Rep. knows his/her job is on the line if such a bill is passed.
The Law Enforcement agencies will be exempt from this law on their weapons. A little is never enough. Taxes keep going up and once gun bands get started there will be no end to it until all gun are band. Voters need to make their voices heard to their representatives and make sure the Rep. knows his/her job is on the line if such a bill is passed.
Don't be confused. These unenforceable laws are not being passed out of ignorance.
An unenforceable law is simply leverage to pass a stronger law the next legislative session.
Here's how it will go:
"Well, the people clearly wanted this law--obviously they want it to be enforceable too. Here's the law that will fix the problem."