New carry gun for the wife

Does she want a gun for funnsies or for self defense?

because if it's for funnsies, go ahead and get the Glock.

but apparently it's not, so tell her to stop being silly and get the Sheild.

and, yes, i am rolling my eyes at this :rolleyes:
 
So, that said, I get home and look at the M&P online and they now have a Performance Center version with fiber optic sights, enhanced trigger and ported barrel for like $80 more. I may try to steer her this way if she shows more love for the none PC M&P.
Any one have any range time or experience with this new ported Shield?
Any advice on it, pro's cons or other general remarks? Any and all comments welcome.

No, however, I have a friend that ports for a living. I would allow her to shoot both ported and not and see whats best for her.
 
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pax
 
Thanks all. I'll try to hit a bunch of the replies, though I appreciate them all.

I would have her try the glock 42. It shoots much easier than the 43 and feels exactly the same.
She held, thought it was a hair to small, also questioned "A .380? Really?" In truth, she has shot an XD full size .45 with no problems approximately 5 years ago.

Has she tried the Walther CCP or PPK/s?
Held, did not like. I even pulled the James Bond angle.

Why is she locked into a 9mm? Has she fired anything in a .380? Especially .380+P?
Don't know and not yet.

I personally don't see a ton of gain in porting a 3" barrel. You're reducing muzzle flip (though to be honest I don't find the Shield to be that difficult to shoot) but at the same time you're getting a lot more blast and flash closer to your face. On a concealed carry pistol where you might not be able to get the pistol to a full extension and have to fire the pistol from your side or nearer to your chest I'm not sure it's a trade I'd make. Personally I think S&W is just looking for new ideas to market.
Good answer. Only ported gun I ever shot was a buddies Anaconda. On the Shield I was also drawn to the fiber optic sights and enhanced trigger.

Now for marriage advice. Get what she wants. If it really mattered to her, she'd be the one asking the questions on this forum instead of you. It'll be her gun. Why hasn't SHE bought it yet? Do you not let her have any money before locking her back up in the basement?
I will only get her what she wants but think of it this way. She buys my cologne. Why, because she is better at that. But she will not buy me anything I do not like.

Also, agree with no porting. You're not gaining much, and in a self defense gun (which may need to be fired in very close quarters), porting is undesirable.
Thanks pax but why, what makes porting undesirable?

Make sure she can rack a new Shield...a new one may be difficult
No troubles.

pax", aka Kathy J., above, is really the expert/authority/best-person for this question. I generally refer anyone to her website.
Undoubtedly. Been to "Cornered Cat" many times.

Have you checked out the Ruger LC9? That might be an option too.
Is she opposed to a revolver?
Not yet on the Ruger, although I am not a Ruger fan, per se. No to the wheel gun. She had a gun store owner tell her that women can only shoot revolvers. This was as we were looking for ranges to rent guns. We have not been back and she has no interest in a revolver.

No, however, I have a friend that ports for a living. I would allow her to shoot both ported and not and see whats best for her.
LGS/Range does not have any ported rentals.


All that said, I appreciate all the recommendations for more range time. That is one of my goals, more range time for us. I am also not opposed to Buying both But I can only get one to start. I was hoping more along the line of matching M&P compact or Gen 4 19...but all in due time. They also had a new H&K that...never mind. Again, not opposed to Shield then enhanced Shield or any other addition. More is better and I need a carry gun too.
 
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I had a chance to shoot a new Walther PPS "M2" and I like it better than the Glock 43
 
I would strongly urge your wife to consider the CZ 2075 RAMI. It's compact and carries easily, has plenty of capacity as a double stack 9mm and is crazy accurate for a gun of its size.
 
CCW For Wife

INMHO I hope she gets more time with the G42.Glock made the 42's for a group your wife seems to be in.Hornaday CD is a good load.Good Luck,Skeets
 
Has she tried the Walther CCP or PPK/s
I had a PPK/s and it is a classic design with a lot of historical draw, but it is not something I would ever suggest anyone else carry for self-defense. If your an experienced shooter that can tweak the gun to shoot what you want it to and know it probably won't reliably shoot anything else, fine, carry one, but a new shooter... There are probably some that run more reliably, but it is pretty common for them to be very picky. I did carry mine when running.

When Glocks go up on armslist the sell for more than budsgunshop prices very quickly. There are a lot of M&Ps listed in my area that languish at discounted prices. With a first trial gun, resale may be important.

I'm buying my wife a G43. She rented a bunch and it was the easiest for her to rack and fit her hand pretty well. I showed her the 'hip punch' method to rack the slide, and she was able to rack all the pistols, but she wasn't fond of the method. I don't need to worry about resale b/c I'll take it if she doesn't stick with it. :)

And this site needs a reply button.
You mean a reply with quote button? If so, they suck. People don't edit the quote so you suck in a one page post when all that is wanted is to quote a few words.
 
... what makes porting undesirable?

For smaller caliber guns (.380, 9mm), there's not enough gas volume to really have an effect on muzzle rise - which is all porting will control unless the porting is specifically designed to have a muzzle brake action as well.

I have a Detonics Combat Master that I ported in 1984 when I owned an electrical discharge machine (EDM). The porting made a noticeable difference in the muzzle rise, but had no effect as a muzzle brake as you really need multiple ports that are angled. There really isn't enough room on a short pistol barrel to create a ported muzzle brake.

If you'd like to see what needs to be done for a ported muzzle brake, look at Les Baer's website for the Enforcer Muzzle Brake on his .308 rifles. The design works and reduces a .308 to between a .223 and .243 level recoil - but, it's also about 2.5 inches in length.

I also have a ported .41 magnum pistol and a ported .44 magnum. The ported barrels on both of those guns have the effect of reducing muzzle rise and allowing faster and more accurate follow up shots. The porting on either gun does nothing to reduce recoil.

One of the Internet memes that gets endlessly repeated as if it's gospel is that a ported barrel will blind you at night because of the muzzle flash coming out of the ports. Not true.

The ports should be put on a pistol barrel at 45 degrees to the center axis of the barrel for the most effect. High speed videography of the muzzle flash shows the muzzle flash between a ported barrel and unported barrel to be nearly equal - a big ball at the end of the barrel.

The flash hider on an AR directs the gasses radially and if you've seen them work at night, you have muzzle flash coming out of the ports - you should be blinded by that as well, and you're not.

If you're not blinded by the muzzle flash from a standard barrel, or a flash hider on an AR, the porting on a pistol isn't going to blind you either. If the ports are at 45 degrees to the bore axis, the flash is directed away from the front sight and has no affect on night vision anymore than the ball of fire normally created at the end of the barrel.

However, there can be one potential detrimental aspect to muzzle porting if the gun is fired directly alongside your body as the porting could vent gasses directly into your body.

But, again, you won't find people warning not to do that with a revolver and there is a lot of gas vented out the side of the gun between the cylinder and the forcing cone.

If you're worried about that aspect of porting, then you should be worried about the same type of thing with a revolver.

None of this is theory, I've looked at porting, muzzle flash, etc. using high speed video in 1984 when I ported my Detonics Combat Master specifically because I wanted to see how it was working.

No, I can't post the video on the Internet. It's all on 3/4-inch video tape and I haven't had a 3/4-inch video deck for 25 years.
 
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