Aguila Blanca
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So you're suggesting that registering the machinery of industry might lead to an industrial revolution ... ?KyJim said:
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"The UK just topped themselves, now they are doing a 'gun amnesty' to collect privately held arms as an internal response to the Paris attacks."
The implication, of course, that not-yet-radicalized 'youths' will turn in their guns (which they have ahead of time, why?), thereby mooting future attempts to attack with guns (which they couldn't obtain once more, why?), upon becoming radicalized
Insanity isn't the half of it.
I'm trying to find a reference for the machine tool registering; I've seen offhand references to it by Brits numerous times, but I think I'm using bad keywords or something. I understand it was in the '80's or something, after Britain had gone totally mad with regards to firearms.
"I'm not surprised to hear Britain wants to register mills and lathes. It is actually sensible, if you understand the viewpoint. Means of Production. Having a list of who, in your country, can make what, could be a useful thing, in the event of war, and it also fits in well with the socialist and communist ideal of managing all resources for the common good."
I'd say it's a guarantee they have a list of who's using the most power in their nation, and that's just about as good, considering a 100watt PC power supply is the beefiest hardware most households run outside the kitchen (I'd say the US likely does, as well).
"IF Britain were to go through the early 1940s AGAIN..."
They'd better not ask for our damn civilian guns AGAIN.
Aguila,
I've been trying for a while to mash up the Wendell Phillips quote "what gunpowder did for war, the printing press had done for the mind."
'What gunpowder does to minds, the 3D printer will do for war' --too violent
'What guns do to antis' sensibilities, the 3D printer will do to politicians'' -too clunky
'What the slavish press does for war, 3D printing will do for guns' -eh, maybe.
I do like this one, though;
'CAD and 3D printing lend dignity to an otherwise vulgar Bubba's-garage hack-job'
I need more inspiration.
Oh, one other thing; printed repeating rimfire revovlers are coming on the scene. Double action and everything. About the size/look of a NERF gun. I suspect true cartridge-extracting arms will come due in a years' time or less at this pace of development, at which point magazine fed autoloaders and lever guns are a possibility. The plastic will always be more clunky than metal frames, but if you don't need a honkin' chamber sleeve for every round, you rapidly trend toward a more practical device. Especially if people take notice from the designers who had no choice but to work with brass and iron way back when, and simply down-load their ammo to what works with their materials in a practical-size frame (I think rimfire is a very good idea)
TCB
The implication, of course, that not-yet-radicalized 'youths' will turn in their guns (which they have ahead of time, why?), thereby mooting future attempts to attack with guns (which they couldn't obtain once more, why?), upon becoming radicalized
Insanity isn't the half of it.
I'm trying to find a reference for the machine tool registering; I've seen offhand references to it by Brits numerous times, but I think I'm using bad keywords or something. I understand it was in the '80's or something, after Britain had gone totally mad with regards to firearms.
"I'm not surprised to hear Britain wants to register mills and lathes. It is actually sensible, if you understand the viewpoint. Means of Production. Having a list of who, in your country, can make what, could be a useful thing, in the event of war, and it also fits in well with the socialist and communist ideal of managing all resources for the common good."
I'd say it's a guarantee they have a list of who's using the most power in their nation, and that's just about as good, considering a 100watt PC power supply is the beefiest hardware most households run outside the kitchen (I'd say the US likely does, as well).
"IF Britain were to go through the early 1940s AGAIN..."
They'd better not ask for our damn civilian guns AGAIN.
Aguila,
I've been trying for a while to mash up the Wendell Phillips quote "what gunpowder did for war, the printing press had done for the mind."
'What gunpowder does to minds, the 3D printer will do for war' --too violent
'What guns do to antis' sensibilities, the 3D printer will do to politicians'' -too clunky
'What the slavish press does for war, 3D printing will do for guns' -eh, maybe.
I do like this one, though;
'CAD and 3D printing lend dignity to an otherwise vulgar Bubba's-garage hack-job'
I need more inspiration.
Oh, one other thing; printed repeating rimfire revovlers are coming on the scene. Double action and everything. About the size/look of a NERF gun. I suspect true cartridge-extracting arms will come due in a years' time or less at this pace of development, at which point magazine fed autoloaders and lever guns are a possibility. The plastic will always be more clunky than metal frames, but if you don't need a honkin' chamber sleeve for every round, you rapidly trend toward a more practical device. Especially if people take notice from the designers who had no choice but to work with brass and iron way back when, and simply down-load their ammo to what works with their materials in a practical-size frame (I think rimfire is a very good idea)
TCB
44 AMP said:
I'm not sure of how perfect a "no questions asked" gun turn in would be for criminals disposing of their weapon they used in a crime.
First, the gun couldn't be linked/ traced back to the criminal in any way, including things like fingerprints, DNA, or through their criminal friends.
Second, at least in large U.S. cities, there are a number of cameras (government and private sector) which can take the picture of people coming and going from a gun turn in. Based on the time a picture was taken and the time a certain gun was turned in, you might be able to narrow down or identify who turned in a particular gun.
It probably boils down to what kind of history a particular weapon has regarding how much hair splitting law enforcement will apply to a "no questions asked" policy for a gun turn in.
Yes, there would be some things they could try, if they were willing to break their word, to track who turned in what, BUT first they would have to have tied that gun to a specific crime.
And what generally happens to the guns turned in is the meltdown box. I would hope, after at least a serial number check against reported stolen guns, but they may not even do that.
The point of this (organizers view) is to get guns off the street. Period. Any guns, all guns, don't care about anything else, DELIBERATELY not looking for prosecutions to encourage turn ins.
Once the turned in guns are destroyed (to make us all safer), the police do not have a gun to test for anything. Nothing to link to a specific crime, let alone the person who turned it in.
They can't, and simply don't test every gun turned in against every open crime it might possibly "fit". Unless there is something unique about a gun that makes it stand out as a strong possibility for a specific crime, AND someone recognizes that, before it is melted down, evidence, possibly critical evidence is lost, forever.
Tossing a murder gun in the river means it probably won't be found. Tossing it into the buy back meltdown means it soon will cease to exist. No questions asked.
