New Army Handgun: We're Really Doing This

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Oh, how lovely.

What a wonderful time to be an Infantry Officer running an HHC.

Crikey, can we just buy our own sidearms like the Brits did?

I'll buy myself an M-45 since Big Army would never issue that to me because my beret is the wrong color; and my girls in the Civil affairs, chem, and PAO sections can buy Glocks, or the pink snub nose .38s that the guys at the gun store will sell them.

Seriously, reading the various pistol trial stuff is enough to make want to fling myself out of my second story office.

Or join the Peace and/or Marine Corps.
 
I just remember reading about test after test, trial after trial, study after study, committees and boards and test panels going on for year after year after year (with Congress getting into it too) before the military moved away from the 1911 to the Beretta. I can't imagine the same thing won't go on again before another change is made-or not made.
 
i love letting the market place produce better things, like pistols. the problem is who picks for all of the military, and what rules do they use to make the pick? what is good for one person is terrible for another. thus the 'modular' part of the search. different grip sizes, different barrel lengths, open caliber selection. in the end, the most cost for a pistol system is the ammo cost, not the cost of the pistol, but if they don't account for that, you could end up with a really inexpensive pistol, with the profit made on the ammo only.
 
^ I dont know about that... I have no doubt about them being fully functional, but they might look pretty darn rough by now; gouged up, worn slick, etc..
You cant refinish them and you cant replace the grips.

I've seen used LEO Glocks a-plenty in the gun shops over the years, some are really rough - only suitable for a grip cut-down to G19 or 26 lenght and a stippling job... or a truck gun.

Metal gun can always be cleaned up and refinished... poly just wears away over long periods of time and carry. They also become slippery.
 
I think they need to look into CZ, like the P-01. While I like a few beretta models, I've traded off my storm and bobcat for much better guns.
 
Reality

The one pistol solution for all branches of the military and
All duties would be the G-19.
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The Glock 17 was designed/built, for the Austrian Military. The gun was made to fire NATO rounds.

The Gen4, has a great grip surface, two bit's now added, to make it bigger!

Best pistol magazines in the world, and can be made in Smyrna GA.
Could come with Glock steel night sights, that will not rust.

If anyone has fired a handgun before, two hours training, cheap.
 
Small quibble, but I don't find Glock mags to be any more impressive than those of other reputable manufacturers.

More to the point, I can certainly see the desirability of having a poly-framed pistol (assuming we're actually going through with this idiotic exercise in misplaced priorities), but I have a hard time endorsing a pistol with a Glock- or M&P-style action/trigger pull as the best choice for a standard-issue sidearm. That plus the almost nonexistent pistol training regimen that most in the military undergo would equal a high probability of plenty of instances of "Glock Leg."
 
When I train, New to Glock Students... "Take magazine from pistol, place magazine in left trouser pocket! Rack slide 3 times! If three rounds are ejected? Whatever is in your left front pocket, it sure is not the magazine from your pistol!"

Don't laugh, it has happened, the opposite causes Glock leg. Magazine out first, not followed, IE Rack slide... Then take out magazine... THEN press trigger... BANG!!

This kind of problem is fairly common with Revolver to Glock students.
 
You can tell that a Glock is cocked if the trigger is forward. If it is not cocked the trigger sits back. Pretty visible and tactile indicator.
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Tactile indicator?


:rolleyes:

..... because coonfingering the trigger (possibly in less than ideal conditions- in the dark, wearing gloves, for instance) is a good idea to check if the gun is ready to fire ...... or maybe not.....
 
The one thing in regards to pistols that I'm in total agreement with Big Army is the need for a frame mounted safety.

I'm not a Glock hater per say, I own one and shoot it in club matches occasionally, but I think of some the guys and girls in my Headquarters Troops. generally all good Troopers, but not the most proficient with firearms.

I don't want to add a DAO pistol into the mix with no external manual safety.

And before any cries "more training time" I'd just like to head that off and say there is never enough time, money, or personnel to train everyone to a reasonable standard in weapons proficiency in the modern American military if there job isn't primarily a warfighting position.

We spend too much time getting briefed on our ROE, please don't rape, please don't drink and drive, please wear a helmet on your motorcycle, oh, and don't even think about wearing gray Columbia wool socks to have time to spend at the range.
 
Maybe just maybe, as a result of sequestration, officers will have/be allowed to purchase their own sidearms now.

It worked for the British!:D
 
When my brother-in-law (Army SF) is undercover wearing civilian clothing, they carry glocks. Seems they should just go that route since the special forces trust them.
 
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