New 1911, whaaaaat?
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Pond James Pond
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Why?
Wow. Really tough crowd...
A new gun from a new gun company which has some interesting and sought after features (grip, bore axis) and very few seem to be willing it to succeed.
DubC-Hicks
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I actually REALLY like the looks of it. The straight back trigger design is also intriguing, and could be quite nice if the striker is fully cocked like on an XD or P320, instead of the trigger cocking the striker like on a Glock. If only they could've used a magazine design already in place, with higher capacity. Like a 92FS/M9 17 round mag.
I've also been waiting for a good metal frame striker pistol. Just wish it was a more reasonable price. That'll be my biggest concern with it.
I've also been waiting for a good metal frame striker pistol. Just wish it was a more reasonable price. That'll be my biggest concern with it.
The only "1911" feature I could see was one side of the magazine catch button.
A "straight back" trigger pull isn't unique to the 1911. A JENNINGS .22 has a straight back trigger pull!
We are!
It's not really that we think it should not succeed, its that we don't think it should succeed claiming it's the "new 1911" when clearly it's not.
Yes, it is profaning the gods doing so...
You may be the strongest guy around, and you may hurl a pretty mean thunderbolt, but its not right to call yourself the Son of Zeus unless you actually ARE the son of Zeus.
This one certainly is the son of ...somebody, but it ain't Zeus.
Loki, maybe....
A "straight back" trigger pull isn't unique to the 1911. A JENNINGS .22 has a straight back trigger pull!
We are!
It's not really that we think it should not succeed, its that we don't think it should succeed claiming it's the "new 1911" when clearly it's not.
Yes, it is profaning the gods doing so...
You may be the strongest guy around, and you may hurl a pretty mean thunderbolt, but its not right to call yourself the Son of Zeus unless you actually ARE the son of Zeus.
This one certainly is the son of ...somebody, but it ain't Zeus.
Loki, maybe....
Pond James Pond
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But it's not claiming that. The company website mentions the trigger being 1911 style, and the promotional video features a 1911.
But it also features a medieval crossbow. Not exactly laying it on thick, is it?
The online article made the "new 1911" claim.
Better to wish that an inaccurate firearms blog should fail, if those are the criteria! They're the ones who shouted: "Hey look!! There's Thor! OMG, get a loadda Thor, dudes!!"...about a guy at the bar wearing an Asgard T-shirt.
There just seems like a lot of negativity and a fair bit seems knee-jerk to me.
I wish them luck.
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It's not really that we think it should not succeed, its that we don't think it should succeed claiming it's the "new 1911" when clearly it's not.
But it's not claiming that.
I agree. Take away the 1911 pretense and the "Hudson" pistol brings its own assets/liabilities to the table.
And, for those who don't know any better, the Hudson car was a pretty good vehicle in its day.
It's not really that we think it should not succeed, its that we don't think it should succeed claiming it's the "new 1911" when clearly it's not.
But it's not claiming that.
I agree. Take away the 1911 pretense and the "Hudson" pistol brings its own assets/liabilities to the table.
And, for those who don't know any better, the Hudson car was a pretty good vehicle in its day.
lee n. field
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It does not have a grip safety.
Last night I listened to an interview with the makers.
Aguila Blanca
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And I talked to the designers at the SHOT Show on Tuesday. They don't claim it to be a 1911, but they do state that it was inspired by the 1911, and the female of the daring duo proudly mentioned that she still has a Kimber at home.
It doesn't feel bad in the hand, but I didn't like it. The trigger is single action, it does NOT cock the striker. None of the display models at the show have magazines in them. When I picked up the Hudson and tried the trigger -- nothing happened. I thought it might have a magazine safety, but when I racked the slide and then pulled the trigger, it worked.
The trigger felt -- odd. It's sort of, kind of, almost like a 3-stage trigger. First the trigger finger has to take up the travel on that safety doohickey. Once that has been done, it's still not a uniform pull. With a decently-tuned 1911, of course, trigger travel after initial take-up is virtually zero. Not so this thing.
And they do offer an ambi thumb safety as an option. It leaves me wondering why they didn't just use a thumb safety and forget the trigger doohickey, but I didn't ask because there were a lot of people at the booth and I didn't want to ask too many hard questions.
The mag release is reversible, but not ambi. And there is no grip safety.
Seems decent quality (like you can tell that from a show demo model without firing it or even field stripping it), but I'm not interested. I think it's too much money for what it is, but the designers are awfully proud of it.
It doesn't feel bad in the hand, but I didn't like it. The trigger is single action, it does NOT cock the striker. None of the display models at the show have magazines in them. When I picked up the Hudson and tried the trigger -- nothing happened. I thought it might have a magazine safety, but when I racked the slide and then pulled the trigger, it worked.
The trigger felt -- odd. It's sort of, kind of, almost like a 3-stage trigger. First the trigger finger has to take up the travel on that safety doohickey. Once that has been done, it's still not a uniform pull. With a decently-tuned 1911, of course, trigger travel after initial take-up is virtually zero. Not so this thing.
And they do offer an ambi thumb safety as an option. It leaves me wondering why they didn't just use a thumb safety and forget the trigger doohickey, but I didn't ask because there were a lot of people at the booth and I didn't want to ask too many hard questions.
The mag release is reversible, but not ambi. And there is no grip safety.
Seems decent quality (like you can tell that from a show demo model without firing it or even field stripping it), but I'm not interested. I think it's too much money for what it is, but the designers are awfully proud of it.
I will concede that it being the "new 1911" was a reviewer's hype, and the maker only claims inspiration from the 1911. Claiming inspiration from the 1911 is much less irksome, and likely quite true.
Lots of things inspire people, in large and small ways.
One could make a reasonable argument that every tilt barrel locked breech semi auto pistol designed after 1911 was inspired by the 1911. (no matter how differently mechanically the new design is carried out, it could still be inspired by the 1911 design)
I like to watch war movies set in WWII. I've found 3 general categories, those that show what really happened (including documentaries), those that are "based on historical events", (which get some of the history right but add things that didn't happen, or leave out things that did), and those "inspired by" actual events, which may only have certain names in common with actual history.
So, I don't count on anything "inspired by" as being the same as the "inspiration".
I'm old, cheap, and pretty set in what I like and what I don't. Just at a glance, the Hudson is too much money for too little of what I like and want in a handgun. Also, I find it ugly.
Why is it that the last elegant striker fired 9mm seems to have been the Luger??
Lots of things inspire people, in large and small ways.
One could make a reasonable argument that every tilt barrel locked breech semi auto pistol designed after 1911 was inspired by the 1911. (no matter how differently mechanically the new design is carried out, it could still be inspired by the 1911 design)
I like to watch war movies set in WWII. I've found 3 general categories, those that show what really happened (including documentaries), those that are "based on historical events", (which get some of the history right but add things that didn't happen, or leave out things that did), and those "inspired by" actual events, which may only have certain names in common with actual history.
So, I don't count on anything "inspired by" as being the same as the "inspiration".
I'm old, cheap, and pretty set in what I like and what I don't. Just at a glance, the Hudson is too much money for too little of what I like and want in a handgun. Also, I find it ugly.
Why is it that the last elegant striker fired 9mm seems to have been the Luger??
Pond James Pond
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Sticking with the mythology theme, I agree the price is the Achilles' Heel for this gun.
However well it shoots, and well built 4 figures seems a lot for a gun with neither pedigree (long-established/respected brand) nor track-record.
ferrarif1fan
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Hideous!
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I don't see what they really gained by lowering the recoil spring. The slide has to be on the same axis as the barrel, and the slide can't go lower than the web of the hand or it becomes a one-shot-go-to-the-infirmary pistol. What I see lowering the recoil spring doing is making for a shorter spring that's going to be more prone to rapid fatigue.
The Hudson Manufacturing 9mm was pretty cool, and I really want to try it out on the range now that I understand what it is; 34 ounce, steel framed, striker fired, 1911 trigger, option manual safety, low bore axis, 1911 grip angle. Thinner and lighter slide than 1911s.
So the bore axis IS lower than 1911s, but it does have a straight back 1911 trigger bow. The large box in front of the trigger under the slide...that is where the take-down pin, locking lugs and recoil assembly live. That is what allowed them to keep the bore low like on polymer striker fired guns while also having 1911 style lock-up and trigger. It is pretty ingenious. Also has a pic rail and a cut-out intended for switches of lights and lasers...which several manufacturers have looked at and are adapting products to utilize.
MSRP is $1150, ships with 3 15 round magazines. Small company, but well run, so I am guessing getting one is going to be a bit rough as they scale up.
If you don't understand low bore axis, well, I can't help you with that. For those who want to shoot at very high speed while maintaining accuracy, this pistol does it really well.
I almost ignorantly posted in this thread before I went to SHOT and figured out what it was. Glad I did not make that mistake.
So the bore axis IS lower than 1911s, but it does have a straight back 1911 trigger bow. The large box in front of the trigger under the slide...that is where the take-down pin, locking lugs and recoil assembly live. That is what allowed them to keep the bore low like on polymer striker fired guns while also having 1911 style lock-up and trigger. It is pretty ingenious. Also has a pic rail and a cut-out intended for switches of lights and lasers...which several manufacturers have looked at and are adapting products to utilize.
MSRP is $1150, ships with 3 15 round magazines. Small company, but well run, so I am guessing getting one is going to be a bit rough as they scale up.
If you don't understand low bore axis, well, I can't help you with that. For those who want to shoot at very high speed while maintaining accuracy, this pistol does it really well.
I almost ignorantly posted in this thread before I went to SHOT and figured out what it was. Glad I did not make that mistake.
The Outdoorhub picture has dimensions laid out with it. It shows the width as 1.23 inches. My 1911 measures .91 inches. Interestingly, my AK-47 has a receiver width of 1.25 inches... that's one fat pistol. It reminds me of a friend's Jiminez .45.
It does look like it sits lower in the hand than a 1911 since it eliminated the area where a 1911's safety and hammer pins go, but it left a sharp-edged tail sticking out behind the slide.
The other-the-top styling looks like something out of a comic book. I'm sure there are people who will love it, but I'm not one of them.
It does look like it sits lower in the hand than a 1911 since it eliminated the area where a 1911's safety and hammer pins go, but it left a sharp-edged tail sticking out behind the slide.
The other-the-top styling looks like something out of a comic book. I'm sure there are people who will love it, but I'm not one of them.