Since cost is a factor, I'm going to add that the versatility of the economic Ruger SR9c - with it's two grip-magazine configurations - is an important feature. It's really like having two guns... one smaller for everyday carry... and one full-size for range or house-gun or car-gun. They are nifty and Ruger-rugged.
Need Suggestions for a New Gun!!!
- Thread starter Rangerrich99
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My choices by order:
XD9 - great trigger action for a striker fired gun; good grip angle/feel; excellent mags; quite accurate IMO; feeds ANYTHING; good aftermarket support parts/holsters
CZ75 SAO - pretty good SAO trigger; great grip angle/feel; excellent mags; quite accurate IMO; feeds ANYTHING; OK aftermarket support parts/holsters
Glock 19 - good trigger action for a striker fired gun; gen 4 grip feels good, but angle is hard to get us to; good enough mags; Accuracy ok; feeds ANYTHING; excellent aftermarket support parts/holsters
FNS9 - pretty good trigger action for a striker fired gun; excellent grip angle/feel; excellent mags; Don't know accuracy wise; I don't know about reliability, but people say it is reliable; ok aftermarket support holsters/no parts available
I would buy any of those 4. The grip on the FNS would likely be too long for me.
XD9 - great trigger action for a striker fired gun; good grip angle/feel; excellent mags; quite accurate IMO; feeds ANYTHING; good aftermarket support parts/holsters
CZ75 SAO - pretty good SAO trigger; great grip angle/feel; excellent mags; quite accurate IMO; feeds ANYTHING; OK aftermarket support parts/holsters
Glock 19 - good trigger action for a striker fired gun; gen 4 grip feels good, but angle is hard to get us to; good enough mags; Accuracy ok; feeds ANYTHING; excellent aftermarket support parts/holsters
FNS9 - pretty good trigger action for a striker fired gun; excellent grip angle/feel; excellent mags; Don't know accuracy wise; I don't know about reliability, but people say it is reliable; ok aftermarket support holsters/no parts available
I would buy any of those 4. The grip on the FNS would likely be too long for me.
Spats McGee
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The compact 9mm market is crowded with good pistols. To my mind, it's the Goldilocks size of pistols. Not too big, not too small, but just right. G19, M&P, SR9c, P320, CZs, XD . . . the list really does go on and on. The only one of the bunch that I own is a Gen 4 G19 that I bought about 3 years ago. I did have one small hiccup when the slide lock spring broke, but I fixed that with a $3 part and a YouTube video. (And if I can fix it, anyone can.) She eats every kind of ammo I feed her. Aftermarket support is ridiculous. If someone makes a widget, they make the widget for a Glock. I'm sure she's capable of better accuracy than I am.Rangerrich99 said:
I'm not knocking the other guns. I'm pretty confident that if I'd bought something else, it would have served me just fine. And truth be told, if I were buying today, that P320 would be high on my list. That said, I'm very happy with my choice. I've thought about swapping for something else from time to time, but I haven't been able to bring myself to do it.
Rangerrich99
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Hey thanks guys for all the replies. And yes, I know there are dozens of guns that fit my parameters, which is exactly the problem. I couldn't rent all the guns that fit in this 'category,' I figured I'd use your input to narrow the field a bit.
So far, it seems that the Glock 19, Sig p320, and CZ-75 are leading the vote. To be honest, that CZ-75 intrigues me. Can you still get that gun NIB, or would I have to go the used route (doesn't bother me, but would be nice to know)?
So far, it seems that the Glock 19, Sig p320, and CZ-75 are leading the vote. To be honest, that CZ-75 intrigues me. Can you still get that gun NIB, or would I have to go the used route (doesn't bother me, but would be nice to know)?
Pistola Pedro
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A lot of good options already listed here and I would look at all of them. Simply because you said you would carry a DA/SA if it had a good trigger, I would throw in the Grand Power P11. It has the best factory trigger out of all of the guns mentioned. I have owned most of the guns mentioned and can honestly tell you that the TRIGGER on the P11 smokes them all (even the PPQ). Whether or not you love the gun is up to you.
Recently I went shooting with mine and was doing double taps and hitting .11 splits at 5 yards with very close hits. It's a shooter.
Recently I went shooting with mine and was doing double taps and hitting .11 splits at 5 yards with very close hits. It's a shooter.
Pond James Pond
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Predictably I'm going to suggest one of the CZ compacts (metal or polymer), or the Sig P2022...
ADK_mechEtech
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I'll throw in my $0.02....
CZ 2075 RAMI. The non-decocker version (SA/DA). It was my first gun and still currently my carry piece. A little heavier than others but still comfortable in a DeSantis pancake holster. It's stupid accurate for a 3" barrel and I have had zero issues in 1000s of rounds. I picked up mine used for $450.
CZ 2075 RAMI. The non-decocker version (SA/DA). It was my first gun and still currently my carry piece. A little heavier than others but still comfortable in a DeSantis pancake holster. It's stupid accurate for a 3" barrel and I have had zero issues in 1000s of rounds. I picked up mine used for $450.
Rangerrich99
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Okay, a quick update here:
I was running around doing a few errands today, and happened to drive by Shooter's World (indoor range) on the way to lunch. Somehow I ended up inside and accidentally rented a Glock 19 (3rd Gen) and a CZ-75 (b?).
Here are my initial impressions: the CZ had the better trigger pull once I got it into SA mode. The DA pull was very heavy and long. It was smooth though. Also, once I started shooting beyond 10 yards, the CZ was easier to shoot accurately (in SA; I chose not to try the DA pull at 15 yards). At 5, 7 and 10 yards the Glock and the CZ were basically as accurate as the other. The CZ also had a longer reset I think, and I managed to short stroke it three times through five magazines. I only short stroked the Glock once.
Surprisingly, I shot the Glock pretty well.
To understand what's going on here, you have to realize that I turned the target upside down when I moved it out to 10 yards. So, The two lower squares on the left in the picture are the groups I shot with the Glock; the small square was 5 yards, the larger square was 7. The two lower squares on the right were the CZ. Then I turned the target upside down (as shown in the pic) so now the Glock group is on the right and the CZ shots are on the left.
I worked it like that because I didn't want to shoot down at a square, so to get a more level target, I turned the thing over.
Anyway, as you can see, both guns shot about the same size groups (10-rounds, slow fire). I had one flier, obviously, which is the high round on the left. It was a bit warm in there and my hands were getting a little sweaty, and I tried that one DA.
Neither weapon had a failure of any kind, and both were pretty easy to point and shoot. The CZ felt better in my hand, in spite of the extra weight. However, the Glock wins that round in my mind, as the CZ DA trigger pull was not shooter friendly, and the Glock had only one short stroke episode.
Till1 the next rental session.
P.S. I know, the groups are a bit large, but at least with the CZ, I'd never handled one before today, so I'm giving myself a little bit of the benefit of the doubt. As for the Glock, I've never been able to shoot one with consistent accuracy.
I was running around doing a few errands today, and happened to drive by Shooter's World (indoor range) on the way to lunch. Somehow I ended up inside and accidentally rented a Glock 19 (3rd Gen) and a CZ-75 (b?).
Here are my initial impressions: the CZ had the better trigger pull once I got it into SA mode. The DA pull was very heavy and long. It was smooth though. Also, once I started shooting beyond 10 yards, the CZ was easier to shoot accurately (in SA; I chose not to try the DA pull at 15 yards). At 5, 7 and 10 yards the Glock and the CZ were basically as accurate as the other. The CZ also had a longer reset I think, and I managed to short stroke it three times through five magazines. I only short stroked the Glock once.
Surprisingly, I shot the Glock pretty well.
To understand what's going on here, you have to realize that I turned the target upside down when I moved it out to 10 yards. So, The two lower squares on the left in the picture are the groups I shot with the Glock; the small square was 5 yards, the larger square was 7. The two lower squares on the right were the CZ. Then I turned the target upside down (as shown in the pic) so now the Glock group is on the right and the CZ shots are on the left.
I worked it like that because I didn't want to shoot down at a square, so to get a more level target, I turned the thing over.
Anyway, as you can see, both guns shot about the same size groups (10-rounds, slow fire). I had one flier, obviously, which is the high round on the left. It was a bit warm in there and my hands were getting a little sweaty, and I tried that one DA.
Neither weapon had a failure of any kind, and both were pretty easy to point and shoot. The CZ felt better in my hand, in spite of the extra weight. However, the Glock wins that round in my mind, as the CZ DA trigger pull was not shooter friendly, and the Glock had only one short stroke episode.
Till1 the next rental session.
P.S. I know, the groups are a bit large, but at least with the CZ, I'd never handled one before today, so I'm giving myself a little bit of the benefit of the doubt. As for the Glock, I've never been able to shoot one with consistent accuracy.
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Pond James Pond
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Why a Glock?
I've nothing against them, but I thought you said no DAOs and I thought that was what a Glock was: DAO!
Change of heart?
Rangerrich99
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Hey Mr. Pond;
Technically I believe Glocks are striker-fired or 'Safe-Action' pistols. Which, though I'm not a fan of striker-fired, I can live with as most of them are between 5-8 lbs. of trigger weight.
DAOs, like on my S&W hammerless J-frame tend to have heavy trigger pulls and though I'm pretty good with my DA revolvers, I'd just rather not have to learn the intrinsic quirks of a DAO semi-auto.
Also, I chose to rent the Glock, as they have always been very popular (nearly all of my shooting buddies have one), as a kind of control.
Spats McGee
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I'm glad that you got to shoot those two side by side. I have to say, though, that this is my favorite part of the post:
I keep trying to use that excuse with Mrs. McGee, but she quit believing that a long time ago. Run with it while you can!Rangerrich99 said:
Rangerrich99
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Hey Spats;
Yeah, most of the time it doesn't work that well for me either. Doesn't stop me from trying to use it every once in a while, though. It does work slightly better than, "but honey, I was abducted by aliens, and they used mind control, and then . . . "
That only worked once. So far, anyway.
I did tell myself that I only was going to check out a couple holsters and maybe price some ammo, but I knew one of the guys at the rental counter, and he called me over. The rest strangely is a blur . . .
Yeah, most of the time it doesn't work that well for me either. Doesn't stop me from trying to use it every once in a while, though. It does work slightly better than, "but honey, I was abducted by aliens, and they used mind control, and then . . . "
That only worked once. So far, anyway.
I did tell myself that I only was going to check out a couple holsters and maybe price some ammo, but I knew one of the guys at the rental counter, and he called me over. The rest strangely is a blur . . .
Just posted this in response to a similar inquiry.
In my opinion, the Jericho PSL Mid Size Poly would be a very good option.
Any modern CZ made pistol, compact or the full size version of it, is an amazing SD gun.
FN/Browning Hi Power is an outstanding full size pistol, can be easily carried concealed, but it is a single action, so...
From www. iwi.us:
Jericho PSL, Mid-Size Polymer
First introduced in the US in 1990, the Jericho 941 has enjoyed wide acceptance by American shooters over the last 25 years. Based on the highly regarded CZ-75 short recoil system, Jericho pistols combine proven design and function with IWI's exceptionally high standards for reliable performance, accuracy and quality construction.
The Jericho features a frame mounted safety enabling "condition one" cocked and locked carry and single action function or hammer down double action function. Additional features include an integral Picatinny rail for mounting accessories, adjustable dovetailed sights, a firing pin block and a loaded chamber indicator. Barrels are cold hammer forged of the finest Mil-Spec CrMoV steel.
Each Jericho 941 comes with two standard capacity magazines or two 10 round magazines for consumers who reside in states with magazine capacity restrictions. No models will be available for CA or MA.
Caliber 9mm Para (9x19mm) or .40 S&W
Action Semi-auto
Operating System Short Recoil
Magazine Type IWI, Steel
Magazine Capacity 2-16 round 9mm; 2-12 round .40S&W
Barrel Type Cold hammer forged, CrMoV
Barrel Length 3.8"
Overall Length 7.6"
Weight 1.6 lbs.
Rifling 9mm 1:10 RH; .40S&W 1:16 RH
Grip Color Black
Sights Adjustable Sights
Restricted States Not available in CA or MA. 2-10 round mags for capacity restricted states.
Optional Equipment N/A
MSRP - $559.00
In my opinion, the Jericho PSL Mid Size Poly would be a very good option.
Any modern CZ made pistol, compact or the full size version of it, is an amazing SD gun.
FN/Browning Hi Power is an outstanding full size pistol, can be easily carried concealed, but it is a single action, so...
From www. iwi.us:
Jericho PSL, Mid-Size Polymer
First introduced in the US in 1990, the Jericho 941 has enjoyed wide acceptance by American shooters over the last 25 years. Based on the highly regarded CZ-75 short recoil system, Jericho pistols combine proven design and function with IWI's exceptionally high standards for reliable performance, accuracy and quality construction.
The Jericho features a frame mounted safety enabling "condition one" cocked and locked carry and single action function or hammer down double action function. Additional features include an integral Picatinny rail for mounting accessories, adjustable dovetailed sights, a firing pin block and a loaded chamber indicator. Barrels are cold hammer forged of the finest Mil-Spec CrMoV steel.
Each Jericho 941 comes with two standard capacity magazines or two 10 round magazines for consumers who reside in states with magazine capacity restrictions. No models will be available for CA or MA.
Caliber 9mm Para (9x19mm) or .40 S&W
Action Semi-auto
Operating System Short Recoil
Magazine Type IWI, Steel
Magazine Capacity 2-16 round 9mm; 2-12 round .40S&W
Barrel Type Cold hammer forged, CrMoV
Barrel Length 3.8"
Overall Length 7.6"
Weight 1.6 lbs.
Rifling 9mm 1:10 RH; .40S&W 1:16 RH
Grip Color Black
Sights Adjustable Sights
Restricted States Not available in CA or MA. 2-10 round mags for capacity restricted states.
Optional Equipment N/A
MSRP - $559.00