Need help to identify a pistol

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mike666

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Hi all together,

I got a question bout a gun, you 'll find a picture of it here.

So it is a cal. 22

Assenly and disassebly is like a ppk, triggerguard must be pulled down, then ya can pull the slide back and push it up to take it of.

Please, does anybody know what manufacturer it is?

The triggerguard and the trigger are some special in there shabe, so all guns i know don't fit to that. Please helb me to find out what gun it is.

Best regards from germany
Michael
 

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Looks like a nicely-made little gun. Are there any marks or printing visible when the gun is dissasembled or when the grips are removed?

I've not seen one like that...
 
no nmarkings

there´re no markings,even when the grip is removed, nothing.

its well machined so it doesnt look like a selfmade one...
 
The slide has been ground ,so no more ID there !! Check older catalogs to see if you can match size and shape.
 
It may be a self-made gun, but made by a gunsmith who knew what he was doing. Is there a serial number of any sort? If not, that's even more of a tipoff.
 
i tryed nearly all what i got in my thougths to find out what gun this is, last chance i saw was to try a forum, i cannot get hold on aolder catalogs here in ger ... there is not much literatur bout guns left.

i don´t got a clue wherefrom it can be... no walther no mauser ... makarov? different triggershape also manhurin...
 
And in the U.S. (which the original poster doesn't have to worry about), unless the owner could prove that it's pretty old (pre-required serial number days), that gun would be illegal.

Threaded barrel suggests a silencer... (I didn't pay attention to that feature when I first looked at the photos... Those ARE threads?)

Nice gun.
 
Without seeing the other side of the gun and where you are along with the threaded barrel and lack of markings I would say you have a WWII clandestine op or resistance gun. From the look of the slide ( like to see the hammer from the back and side cocked) I wouldn't be surprised if it was designed by colt or a colt gunsmith under contract for a special operations group or service.

Proof if its got no safety on the slide or part numbers or made by/in it was probably built to be untraceable to a county or group. While it possible it was made as late as the cold war the design appears to have Colt aspects to it and looks like is was purpose built for fill a request
 
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Quite possibly a Walter PPK/S 'lunch box special'. As in, stolen by a workie in the Walther plant. Or one of the hordes of PPK/S clones made who knows where. A Manurhin for example.
"...built to be untraceable to..." Nice story, but one look says Germany. not having a 'safety or part numbers or made by' proves nothing.
 
It has more in common with a colt then a ppk. While they dont look the same it has a lot more it common with the 1903 colt .32 and some of the other pocket or officer's models than a German gun.

Never said it actually was issued. There were lots a gun designed and tested that never made it to being issued during the war or before it ended. But by not having any production marks or part numbers its worth a closer look. I'll bet its got a simple but stout trigger with minimal number of parts. Its definitely worth the time to research it.
 
A super spy gun? Oh, boy!! James Bond silliness strikes again!

It has the characteristics of model shop work, something made up by a factory to try out some ideas. The slide looks like it might be made like the old H&Ks, sheet metal bent into a U shape to form the slide with a pin to hold the breechblock in place. It could even be from H&K and if I were the OP, I think I would contact that company and see if they recognize it.

Jim
 
it has the characteristics of model shop work, something made up by a factory to try out some ideas.
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Except for that threaded barrel, it does look nicely made -- so it could be model shop work. The threaded barrel seems incongruous.

We'll probably never know... but it is a great looking little gun.
 
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The idea of the unmarked "clandestine" firearm is an old one, but never has been very realistic. Mostly, when a gun is found on some "enemy of the state", no one really cares where the gun itself came from. The Browning 1910's used in the assassination of Franz Ferdinand had/have their full markings, including serial numbers, and were easily traced to the shop that sold them. The famous silenced High Standard carried by Francis Gary Powers could have had the markings removed, but it would have been pointless to do so when the whole plane screamed U.S. and Powers spoke only American English.

True the "Liberator" pistols carried no markings, but since they had 10 rounds of American marked .45 ACP in the butt, it is not likely they would have come from, say, Paraguay. (In fact, they were never dropped as intended, but that is beside he point here.)

Jim
 
It looks like a Colt. Both of them have barrels and grips. Otherwise it looks closer to a turnip! :rolleyes:

The gun would not be illegal in the US-even if it has no serial number.

It's not a Walther "lunch box" gun, though it may use some Walther parts.

The slide could be off some other gun, as it has been ground up pretty well.

My guess is that it's a home made gun. A German gunsmith would have done a much better job.

Is the gun single action, or double action? More pics will help us help you.
 
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forgot the pics
 

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