Need Help! Re-installed slide on XD-9 without disassembly lever in up position.

Handy --- I agree with you and your comments are surely not ignornat, sure does seem like it could be made less goof proof, think about it what if a police officer went to the range before shift, fired wepon, cleaned wepon and then a minor goof --- stuck gun... unplaned day off...

I think rounding off any burs would certianly be a prudent thing to do as well.
 
Andrew,

Handy's not the most diplomatic guy around here--I've been told I'm not either for that matter ;) --anyway, he's right on this one.

A pistol that can fairly easily be put into a situation that requires tools to get it out of has a design flaw.

Pistols are designed so they can be easily stripped and reassembled under stress. Leaving the lever in the wrong position is a reasonable error for someone to make in such a situation. Needing a mallet to correct this (or any other) "reasonable error" is a significant flaw.
 
Actually while trying to help andrew I tried it on all seven of my xd`s and could not get any of them to do the same thing andrew did. Instead of being an ass why not help the guy out. And since you know so much about pistol design why not tell me how andrew got it stuck like he did. And what exactly is wrong with the disassembly lever since that was not the problem. I am honest I would really like to know and am not ashamed to ask. So lets do an after action review....what happened????

Ashamed too since he came here thinking you guys were more knowledgable way to treat someone who needs help.
 
With all due respect, nobody mentioned the design flaw issue until AFTER he stated the problem had been resolved.

Since Springfield was able to replicate AND solve the problem without too much trouble, I'm thinking that they're the ones who should have answers for your other questions.

Furthermore, I'm not sure how you got the idea anyone's giving him a hard time. Someone made the accurate observation that the gun has a design flaw and he jumped down their throat and accused them of making ignorant comments. That qualifies as HIM giving others a hard time, not vice versa.

I don't quite get how you (and apparently he too) have the idea that someone making a critical statement about a gun is an attack on a person who owns that gun. He didn't design it, he didn't manufacture it, he didn't advertise or sell it, he just BOUGHT it. How does a design flaw reflect on him at ALL? If anything, HE'S the injured party and the company who made the gun is the one who's at fault.

If my Honda has a recall and you let me know about it, are you giving me a hard time? If you find out my mechanic ripped me off and you tell me would that make you an ass? Would you be ashamed of a person who told someone else that the firing pin on their CZ-52 will break if it's dryfired?

Negative comments about a product are NOT automatically an attack on all owners of that product.
 
Analysis:

I while the above link didn't work, I found the diagrams on the SA website.

What happened? The front surface of the disassembly lever is milled flat when in the closed position. I suppose this is where the base of the guide rod seats, and provides spring pressure to keep the latch closed.

What Andrew appears to have done was push the slide on to the frame with a fair amount of force or velocity. As the lower frame lug hit the vertical surface of the dissasembly lever it had enough oomph to knock the barrel out of its upper lock in the ejection port. I infer there was a great deal of force or velocity used because the barrel came to rest against inside edge of the frame block with enough force to leave those twin dings on the feed ramp.

At this point the barrel is trapped under the slide and being forced down. The front lower lug is trying to push down, but is attempting to occupy the space normally occuppied by the head of the guide rod, crushing it between barrel and frame block. The large longitudinal mark on the rod head is likely from some part of the barrel. Note in the first picture that the guide rod is sticking out in front of the gun much further then normal, because the barrel lug is taking its spot in the frame.


Solution: The gun is now wedged from frame, to guide rod head, to barrel, to slide. Hammering the back of the slide is the most obvious solution, but also serves to put considerable pressure on the guide head. I think the majority of guide rod damage was done driving it off, rather than getting it stuck. Instead, pulling the guide rod forward by its exposed nose while wiggling the barrel may have freed the jam without a hammer. But I wouldn't recommend wedging another gun to find out.


Prevention: Go slow putting the slide on. I can only see the barrel unlocking from the slide with a considerable jar. At a more leisurely pace the slide would have just come to a stop as the barrel lug contacted the closed disassembly latch, just as it does not a Sig or Beretta.

From the engineering side, if the Croates (sp?) were to put a bevel on the upper edge of the latch (in close position) or the lower barrel lug, it would decrease the likelihood of the barrel 'choosing' to bounce down out of lockup. But I would not do this yourself with a file because it could also serve to get the slide stuck in a different, less serious way. But really, a gun shouldn't do this, even with a forcefull tug. A change would be a good idea.
 
Soooo...

What youre saying is put it back together slowly right? Damn, take it easy on us southern boys. My vocabulary isn't quite as "encompassing" ;) Thanks for the post though. Defintely DON'T want to do that.
 
OK, good analisys Handy... Thanks for posting that for all the members here that APPRECIATE your knowledge. I agree. Silly design issue. I have tried to reassemble all of my guns in as many different ways just to see what I could get away with. Never found an issue. Well put JohnKSa:
I don't quite get how you (and apparently he too) have the idea that someone making a critical statement about a gun is an attack on a person who owns that gun. He didn't design it, he didn't manufacture it, he didn't advertise or sell it, he just BOUGHT it. How does a design flaw reflect on him at ALL? If anything, HE'S the injured party and the company who made the gun is the one who's at fault.
 
They say you must pay attention to detail, I had a problem with a HI-power (user error) disassembled the gun for cleaning, cleaned it up when I reassembled the the gun the guide rod has a retainer ball that holds the slide lock in place, well i put the rod in upside down and the slide lock wouldn't stay in when I racked the slide I never figured the problem out, when and bought a new slide lock from cylinder and slide in and the thing would still fall out so I took it apart and this time accidently put the guide rod ifigured in right and and took me one more disassambly to figure out what I did wrong.
 
Any .45 said:
... I had a problem with a HI-power (user error) disassembled the gun for cleaning, cleaned it up when I reassembled the the gun the guide rod has a retainer ball that holds the slide lock in place, well i put the rod in upside down ...
You're lucky. I've heard of that Hi-Power guide rod breaking due to being reassemled "upside down". Definitely something to watch for when taking it apart the first time ("Now, which way did that go???").

Another one to be careful of: Don't reassemble a Glock without the barrel in place, then pull the trigger. The trigger bar gets reset to the "up" position, and there's no good way to push it down and let you get the slide off again. It can be done, but it's a "stupid user trick" that shouldn't be so easy to recreate.

-- Sam
 
Sam,

Actually there's a very easy way to get it undone without tools and without damaging the pistol.

The way to "undo" a Glock when it gets in that situation is to push the slide forward until it's roughly where it would be if the gun were in battery. You'll have to push against the tension of the striker spring. Normally the recoil spring would put the slide in the proper position, but without the recoil spring and barrel in place you'll have to do the job.

When the slide is in position, pull the trigger. That's it.

What causes the "tie-up", is that the sear goes to the up position when the trigger is pulled. If the striker is behind the sear at that point, the sear catches the striker and won't allow the slide to go forward past a certain point. Pulling the trigger when the slide is pushed forward drops the sear and releases the striker just as it would normally and allows the slide to move forward.

I wouldn't do it for fun, but it won't cause any damage to the pistol at all--there's nothing happening that wouldn't happen normally when operating the slide and dry-firing.
 
Thanks, but I do hope to never get to that situation again. Your procedure sounds like what I did to "undo" it, but it was not a fun 10 minutes while I figured it out.

-- Sam
 
Same Problem With Xd Slide

I disassembled my XD-40 and the slide lever was in the correct, up position. However, the slide locked shut solid in the rear position. Following advice found here, I tried to tap off the slide with a mallet. After three hours of aggressive hitting, it finally went millimeter by milimeter until it reached the front and slid off. What is interesting is that I first checked the recoil spring assembly -- it was in place and centered -- and barrel was also seated and in place... So, my question is -- anybody know what the heck may have happened to cause that?????? Everything seems to be ok at this point after doing 5 function checks... I think I'll call SA on Monday to request a new recoil spring assembly just to be safe...

Any suggestions to prevent this from hapening in the future????

XDuser
 
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