Need a ideas for a new .40 (Berretta?), anything but Glock...
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Young Kiwi
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I was playing around with one of these the other day and it proved to be a whole lot of fun.
Not my usual taste to go for such a 'limited' use gun.
CZ 75 IPSC STANDARD
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Not my usual taste to go for such a 'limited' use gun.
CZ 75 IPSC STANDARD
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A couple of days ago I had only fired one .40 ... my USP40C ... but yesterday I went down and tried a whole handful just for grins. The only one I liked better than my Compact was the full-size USP40. It had noticeably softer recoil the the USPC. As for accuracy, my USPC continues to outshoot me and has never ... NEVER ... failed to do anything but feed, fire, and eject through about 350 factory loads and over 1,300 handloads. (yeah ... I'm knocking on wood now that I've said the N word) ... I do use the Lee factory crimp die which full length resizes as the final step, I'm sure this helps, but the platform seems pretty robust. I can highly recommend the USP40C!
Whatever, have fun!
Saands
Whatever, have fun!
Saands
Why not give the new Beretta a try?
www.beretta.com/pistole/descr9000S.htm
And let us know what you think...
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Make mine lean, mean, and 9x19!
www.beretta.com/pistole/descr9000S.htm
And let us know what you think...
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Make mine lean, mean, and 9x19!
FUD
Whats your expierence with smith auto's. I know the troopers here in ALaska have had nothing but problems with the 4006. I have shot them and found them to be reasonably accurate but not very reliable in adverse conditions.
PAT
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Whats your expierence with smith auto's. I know the troopers here in ALaska have had nothing but problems with the 4006. I have shot them and found them to be reasonably accurate but not very reliable in adverse conditions.
PAT
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parabellum
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by .357SIG:
Not to be a jerk, but am I the only one who understands that the gun must have a manual safety?[/quote]
No, I picked up on that, too
, hence my suggestion of the .40 HiPower.
Not to be a jerk, but am I the only one who understands that the gun must have a manual safety?[/quote]
No, I picked up on that, too
, hence my suggestion of the .40 HiPower.357sig
Actualy TJ custom guns can put a cross bolt safety on a sig if you must have one. On the highpower I have had a 9mm and a 40 highpower and both were good guns. The 40 had more muzzle flip than I prefer so this is one of those guns I prefer in 9mm as opposed to 40 sw or 357 sig. I feel the same about the beretta for different reasons why give up 4 or 5 rounds to get a 40. I will give up 1 or 2 and be very happy but if I have to give up 5 I can accept the lower power of the 9mm.
PAT
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Actualy TJ custom guns can put a cross bolt safety on a sig if you must have one. On the highpower I have had a 9mm and a 40 highpower and both were good guns. The 40 had more muzzle flip than I prefer so this is one of those guns I prefer in 9mm as opposed to 40 sw or 357 sig. I feel the same about the beretta for different reasons why give up 4 or 5 rounds to get a 40. I will give up 1 or 2 and be very happy but if I have to give up 5 I can accept the lower power of the 9mm.
PAT
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parabellum
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Now sigfan, both you and I know that this is splitting hairs. A small fraction of a single percent of Sig owners are going to bother with, or even want a crossbolt safety installed on their Sig. Besides, isn't that custom option available only for the alloy framed pistols?
Just suggest another pistol besides the SigPro, based on the poster's criteria.
Just suggest another pistol besides the SigPro, based on the poster's criteria.
355sigfan, I don't wear a uniform for a living (I did briefly but that was a very long time ago and covered in another thread) so I can not really speak about their reliability under ADVERSE conditions but I have owned and fired S&W pistols for about a dozen & a half years and I find them to be accurate, reliable and able to hold their own against the rest (plus I think they look nice as well). I have yet to have a third generation pistol jam on me or fail to function (just to clarify, I'm talking about their traditional DA/SA models excluding their economy line & Sigma line -- both of which I have no expereince with and can not offer an comment on) and I once fired a second generation pistol (a 659) after it was sitting around uncleaned for a couple of years from a previous range session and the gun function flawlessly. If you want to hear more about people's experiences with Smith & Wesson products, why don't you come join other S&W owners at the Smith & Wesson Firearms Enthusiast's Web Board, which is no way affiliated with the Smith & Wesson Company of Springfeild, MA. Regards, FUD.
My personal experience is limited to Glock, High Power and H&K. Since you don't want the Glock that leaves the other two.
Personally the H&K doesn't feel right in my hand and I don't like it's top heavy feel. My Hi-Power Mark III in .40 is sweet and very accurate. The most natural pointing, feeling, shooting gun that I own.
You can't go wrong with the Browning and the S/A trigger is very nice.
Parabellum. What .41 mags are you talking about? Please enlighten a child in the dark.
Personally the H&K doesn't feel right in my hand and I don't like it's top heavy feel. My Hi-Power Mark III in .40 is sweet and very accurate. The most natural pointing, feeling, shooting gun that I own.
You can't go wrong with the Browning and the S/A trigger is very nice.
Parabellum. What .41 mags are you talking about? Please enlighten a child in the dark.
parabellum
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sks, there were conversion kits available a few years back for the HiPower to be converted to the .41 Action Express cartridge. It's no surprise to me if you haven't heard of it. If I'm not mistaken it was a rebated rim cartridge, and this resulted in some functioning problems. The .41AE never caught on and is now relegated to the ash heap of firearms history. At least as far as I know. Now, in the kits for the HiPower, I believe there was a barrel, recoil spring, and two magazines. These magazines held 11 rounds of .41AE, and it is my understanding that these mags will fit and function with the .40 HiPower. Thus you can get the full 11 rounds the .40 HP will hold. How much effort you are willing to put into finding and buying these mags depends upon how important getting that 11th round is to you. I don't own, nor am I likely to ever own a .40 cal pistol, but if I owned a .40 HP you can bet I'd find a couple of these mags.
SIG Sauers and Glocks have manual safeties. You pull the trigger and they release their respective safeties.
I've found S&W autos to be reliable even in adverse conditions such as rain, mud and extreme humidity. Properly cared for they do fine. They're not my first choice by a long shot as I find the trigger pulls poor, QC shoddy (some are gems and others have frame rails uneven from the factory, sights improperly staked, etc. etc.), and the lexan grips are very uncomfortable. Of course since the S&W pact I wouldn'e even consider buying one. Sure it may be sitting on a dealer's shelf, but there's no guarantee the dealer won't reorder more if you buy it.
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"Get yourself a Lorcin and lose that nickel plated sissy pistol."
I've found S&W autos to be reliable even in adverse conditions such as rain, mud and extreme humidity. Properly cared for they do fine. They're not my first choice by a long shot as I find the trigger pulls poor, QC shoddy (some are gems and others have frame rails uneven from the factory, sights improperly staked, etc. etc.), and the lexan grips are very uncomfortable. Of course since the S&W pact I wouldn'e even consider buying one. Sure it may be sitting on a dealer's shelf, but there's no guarantee the dealer won't reorder more if you buy it.
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"Get yourself a Lorcin and lose that nickel plated sissy pistol."
USP 40 Fullsize
>>Either full cap mags available, or not too much wasted space in the magazine.
Preban 13 round mags readily available.
>>A manual safety
Designed around the cocked and locked concept.
>>Accuracy!
http://ubb.hkpro.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000048.html
Read about the 1 hole groups printed from the 7 yard line after installing the O-ringed barrels on the 40's.
Add on the available match trigger kit and you have one of the smoothest pulls around.
On top of all that, the USP 40 shoots about as easily as most other brands 9mm's due to the buffer system.
I'll warn you though, all mine have been so consistent and easy shooting that they are almost boring
>>Either full cap mags available, or not too much wasted space in the magazine.
Preban 13 round mags readily available.
>>A manual safety
Designed around the cocked and locked concept.
>>Accuracy!
http://ubb.hkpro.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000048.html
Read about the 1 hole groups printed from the 7 yard line after installing the O-ringed barrels on the 40's.
Add on the available match trigger kit and you have one of the smoothest pulls around.
On top of all that, the USP 40 shoots about as easily as most other brands 9mm's due to the buffer system.
I'll warn you though, all mine have been so consistent and easy shooting that they are almost boring
parabellum
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tecolote:
SIG Sauers and Glocks have manual safeties. You pull the trigger and they release their respective safeties.[/quote]
I don't see how you've arrived at this conclusion. What you are referring to are automatic safeties. By definition, a manual safety is one that can be engaged and disengaged manually. It can engaged and left on safe, or disengaged, and left off safe at will. While the Glock does have a safety in it's trigger face which must be pressed in order to fire the pistol, this is hair splitting of the first order, as the trigger face safety cannot be made to render the gun inoperable if the trigger is pulled. Neither the Glock nor the Sig(with the exception of the 210) have a safety which, when enagaged manually by the shooter, renders the pistol inoperable until said safety is disengaged by the shooter.
We all know what the man means when he says "manual safety", OK? The Sigs do not fit this criteria, and neither do the Glocks. If a round is in the chamber of either of these guns and the trigger is pulled, they will fire.
SIG Sauers and Glocks have manual safeties. You pull the trigger and they release their respective safeties.[/quote]
I don't see how you've arrived at this conclusion. What you are referring to are automatic safeties. By definition, a manual safety is one that can be engaged and disengaged manually. It can engaged and left on safe, or disengaged, and left off safe at will. While the Glock does have a safety in it's trigger face which must be pressed in order to fire the pistol, this is hair splitting of the first order, as the trigger face safety cannot be made to render the gun inoperable if the trigger is pulled. Neither the Glock nor the Sig(with the exception of the 210) have a safety which, when enagaged manually by the shooter, renders the pistol inoperable until said safety is disengaged by the shooter.
We all know what the man means when he says "manual safety", OK? The Sigs do not fit this criteria, and neither do the Glocks. If a round is in the chamber of either of these guns and the trigger is pulled, they will fire.
Tecolote
Its funny the things you praise about smith I have found to be quite untrue in my limited experence with them and the thing you cursed (trigger pull) I have found to be one of their strong points. My buddies issue 4006 had a smooth as glass trigger and it shoots well when its running right. However his gun if its allowed to get even a little dirty and if the temp happens to be a little cold and dust as it is here in Bethel AK the gun won't run. If he keeps his gun very clean and uses Winchester ranger or Remington golden sabers as his duty ammo instead of the hydra shocks it will do ok. My issue Glock 21 runs rain or shine clean or dirty. My buddies smith decocker flew off the gun when he was in the academy making the pistol a 35 ounce club. Many of the recruits had broken extractors ejectors and decockers as the training progressed. Only one glock went down and it had to have its extractor replaced. The one sig did fine as did the two HK's. I was using an HK usp in 45 in the academy later our department boughtus all glock 21's. To be honest I don't have much faith in Smith Auto's based on that expierence and my roommates jamamatic Sigma.
PAT
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Its funny the things you praise about smith I have found to be quite untrue in my limited experence with them and the thing you cursed (trigger pull) I have found to be one of their strong points. My buddies issue 4006 had a smooth as glass trigger and it shoots well when its running right. However his gun if its allowed to get even a little dirty and if the temp happens to be a little cold and dust as it is here in Bethel AK the gun won't run. If he keeps his gun very clean and uses Winchester ranger or Remington golden sabers as his duty ammo instead of the hydra shocks it will do ok. My issue Glock 21 runs rain or shine clean or dirty. My buddies smith decocker flew off the gun when he was in the academy making the pistol a 35 ounce club. Many of the recruits had broken extractors ejectors and decockers as the training progressed. Only one glock went down and it had to have its extractor replaced. The one sig did fine as did the two HK's. I was using an HK usp in 45 in the academy later our department boughtus all glock 21's. To be honest I don't have much faith in Smith Auto's based on that expierence and my roommates jamamatic Sigma.
PAT
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rob96:
Ruger P94. Strong as a tank, and good combat accuracy.[/quote]
RIGHT ON!!!!!!
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Yeah, I got a permit to carry,it's called the friggin Constitution.---Ted Nugent
"Glock 26: 17 rounds of concealed carry DEATH comming your way from out of nowhere!!! THAT'S FIREPOWER, BABY!!!"
Ruger P94. Strong as a tank, and good combat accuracy.[/quote]
RIGHT ON!!!!!!
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Yeah, I got a permit to carry,it's called the friggin Constitution.---Ted Nugent
"Glock 26: 17 rounds of concealed carry DEATH comming your way from out of nowhere!!! THAT'S FIREPOWER, BABY!!!"
You had originally mentioned the Berretta in .40. I have one of the Beretta Brigadier Elites, and couldn't be happier with it. It doesn't have the saftey that you wanted, but as far as function goes, it fires every time and it is easy to shoot well. Although the gun is large sized (to me) and doesn't have the 1911 feel that I like (probably the best out there), I have kept it because it is so dependable and funcional.
Casey
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