Need a 357mag load, 140gr

hulley, if you're gonna use cast bullets frequently, you're probably going to need a Lyman manual, either the 49th edition, the Pistol & Revolver III or their dedicated casting and loading guide.

Unfortunately, in the newer data, the closest bullet weight above 140 is 150 grs. and they didn't load with Unique. Personally, I've never cared much for Unique in .357 Magnum loads and there are better powders that are just as universal in application like True Blue that's a very dense spherical that meters night and day better than flake powders. Plus, Ramshot has excellent load data that is pressure tested.

In the load data that 44 AMP listed from the Lyman 45th, the bullet used was a full wadcutter and data for that bullet would be higher pressure than with the bullet your using because the wadcutter has a much longer bearing surface so it's load range will be a bit more limited. Even still, the data from the 45th was reduced in my 46th where no load exceeds 40,700 CUP. Different pressure testing method, but with the current SAAMI limit of 35,000 PSI, they will run higher than that when measured in the CUP system and because of that, I'll list data for the same #358495 141 gr. Wadcutter:

Unique Start: 5.8 grs. 960 FPS @ 14,600 CUP.
Max: 7.9 grs. 1289 FPS @ 40,300 CUP.

2400 Start: 10.5 grs. 1015 FPS @ 18,200 CUP.
Max: 14.6 grs. 1376 FPS @ 39,700 CUP.

With either of these two powders, loads are gonna be fairly dirty until you get at least over the mid-charge level and start working towards top-end loads. Becasue of the Wadcutter bullet type used for these loads, the load range for a 140 gr. TCFP should run a bit higher, but if your after good general use plinking loads, this data will be fine for that. The powder I'd be using for this application would be Ramshot True Blue and again, nobody gives as broad a range of load data as Western Powder Co. who owns both Ramshot and Accurate powders. AA#5 could also be used and AA#7 is even better for mid to upper range .357 Magnum loads although I still prefer True Blue for that application. Ramshot used the LaserCast 140 in their .38 Sp. and .38 Sp.+P load data, btw. ;)
 
Thanks 57k, I currently use Lyman's 49th and Modern Reloading 2nd edition by Richard Lee. I'm making a trip to a shop today and would like to find another manual plus more powder.

Loaded up a few rounds last night and am planning a range trip thursday after work I will be taking the following.

38spl 158gr LRN 3.9gr Unique (I've been using this load for a while, very light)
357mag 158gr LRN 6.0gr Unique. 12rds
357mag 140gr TCFP 6.0gr Unique. 12rds
357mag 140gr TCFP 6.8gr Unique. 12rds

Kinda funny and a little embarrassed to admit but I will anyways.

I shot the 158gr with 6.0gr of Unique and they were great. I loaded up a cylinder of 140gr with 6.0gr of Unique and the first round was a dud! The primer pushed the bullet out and jammed my gun! Danggit! So I went home and pulled the rest and sure enough I had a couple more with no powder. I haven't had a charge problem in a long time. So I didn't get to see what the 140s would do. I actually just finished loading up some more this morning and check every single case for powder! I'll get back out so for a report.
 
I shot the 158gr with 6.0gr of Unique and they were great. I loaded up a cylinder of 140gr with 6.0gr of Unique and the first round was a dud! The primer pushed the bullet out and jammed my gun! Danggit!

So I went home and pulled the rest and sure enough I had a couple more with no powder. I haven't had a charge problem in a long time.

So I didn't get to see what the 140s would do. I actually just finished loading up some more this morning and check every single case for powder! I'll get back out so for a report.

Ummm..sounds like someone just got introduced to the wonders of Unique.
 
Speaking of Unique: This past Thursday, I bought my first pound of Unique in 26-or-so years. I forgot how big the flakes are.

I just finished a batch of 50 - 357 Mag. 158g LSWC (Friendswood hardcast), 6.0g Unique.

Anyway, because the flakes were so big, I took a little extra time with the hopper/scale. Weighed more samples than I usually do when throwing a batch of 50. I got a little variance, but nothing worth being alarmed or frustrated with. Maybe - maybe - 1/10 on either side of 6.0g. I thought it basically metered plenty consistent enough.
 
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I'm using the Lee pro disk measure and I'm getting +/- .1gr but have seen +.2 twice. I'm thinking I'm gonna load these down to be on the safe side. I did make 12rds of 6.8gr but the rest were 6.0gr. FWIW I did measure every load at 6.8gr.
 
Now I'm really wondering...

Hodgdon Reloading website shows the following data:

For the .38 S&W Special:

140 gr. Hornady Cowboy LFN with 4.1 (861 ft/s) to 4.6 (908 ft/s) gr. (MAX) using W231

For the .357 Magnum:

140 gr. Hornady Cowboy LFN with 2.9 (718 ft/s) to 3.7 (897 ft/s) gr. (MAX) using W231

This makes absolutely no sense to me...:eek:

p.s. I just bought a bunch of these with the intention of having a supply of practice ammo that I could use in either a .38 or .357 K-frame. Can't see that this is anything other than a printing error as the same choice of powder in a bigger case ought to have a higher MAX load and maximum velocity?
 
What kind of load are you looking for?


Missouri bullet 18 BRN will work fine all the way up to full .357 mag loads. Missouri says 14-1500fps.

My go to target load is 8.0 gr Unique driving at 158gr SWC at about 1247 fps from a 6" GP100. Recoil is mild compared to 110/296 loads. You can load down lower if you like light loads.

Lyman is the only cast data I rely on, as most published data assumes you are using soft, cold swaged bullets, and give you loads to prevent leading, that are not based on pressures. if you do not have hard cast data (not "lead" data) you can use jacketed data for 18 BRN. Your bullets will generally produce higher velocities, and lower pressures than jacketed bullets with same charge with a similar bullet.
 
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