Navy Pepperbox at EMF

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hongrn

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Just saw this on the EMF site. Interesting BP gun. Anybody know if it's historical?

http://www.emf-company.com/store/pc/1851-PEPPERBOX-36-310p1401.htm

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Let me see if I have this right

....You get all of the velocity of a four to five inch barrel (I am estimating of course) coupled with the lack of accuracy of the absense of sights (so you are just pointing the thing), no way to load it in the field, and far more muzzle heavy than an 1851. I guess at ten feet, it does not matter that there is no rifling.

Of course you could load it with about 200 grains of 777. There certainly is room for it.

I think Luigi is trying to figure out ways to get people to buy more stuff. It would have been nice, had he finished the project. (Note the pins remaining in the frame where the barrel SHOULD be.)

Call me cynical but I think I will save my 300 dollars for the advent of an 1860 Colt for .410 shot shells. :mad:
 
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It's probably has smooth bores which will also hurt accuracy.
An interesting piece for viewing & discussion though.
Thanks for sharing! :)
 
its not a true pepperbox for starters. just look at period pepper boxes and well, youll see what i mean.

issue is, if you look at the frame very closely, the frame has the 1860 rebate cut in it.

as far as sights go, it wold be EASY to modify a front sight. all youd do is modify that front screw in one of several fun ways. tada, front sight.
 
I do believe there is a lot more room for non-historical innovation in the black powder market- but I think they missed the mark on that one. :(

A 12 gauge version of the "howdah" would be perfect. :D
The same thing in a four barreled 12ga swivel version too would be on my wish list. :)
 
That design is not only historically incorrect, it is a mechanical horror as well. There is way too much weight hanging on just one end of the arbor which is screwed into the frame. It's a sure bet it is going to loosen the arbor in a hurry. With a normal barrel, the arbor is supported on both ends. :eek:
 
Geeeze . . . if they only had it in a brass frame. . . :D

Interesting to say the least . . . take a look though . . . I see the the "locating pins" for the barrel on the front of the frame . . what gives with that? If they are going to make a Rube Goldberg . . seems like they would take the time to remove them . . . after all . . why would you need them?

Unless my eyes are seeing things? Maybe I'm just getting old? :)

I'm thinking we all ought to chip in and buy Doc Hoy one of these things . . . it would look good displayed with all of his nice pistols and with his new shooting location, he could try it out and let us know his thoughts on how it shoots? How about it Doc? :D
 
Absolutely

I am thinking I could cram about two or three hundred grains of powder in the chamber. I would have to redesign my loading press. I would not put grease over the bullets in the hopes that I could get at least two of the chambers to chain fire so it would act like an actual pepperbox.

On a serious note, I tend to agree with Hawg, although I can see the value in brass frame issues of the 1851, 60 and Remington even though they may not have a historical prototype.

I know there are those among you who like the twelve inch barrel 1851 pattern, "Ballister", and I mean no offense but the proliferation of long barreled brass revolvers bugs me. I had a Ballister and did not like it in the least, although I am well aware that there are nice long barrel versions in steel that I would not mind having.

This most recent release is, to me, completely ridiculous. I stand by my post of yesterday at 5:45 as long as you accept that I was kidding about a .410 Colt.
 
Many may think that it's ugly and not worth purchasing. But if it's a special run with limited availability, then down the road these will either go up in value or other folks will wish they had bought one had they known that it was available.
There's a demand for pepperboxes. Even though this isn't a conventional one it's still a functional and deadly hybrid BP weapon.
Folks are sometimes enamored by unique weapons that don't cost a fortune and it may fill a niche.
Any new design is going to either be liked or disliked but if the gun functions well then that's a plus.
I can see giving the designers some credit for being innovative.
Some designs do tend to grow on people over time so today's ugly duckling could be tomorrow's classic.
And if it's more of a challenge to fire it accurately without sights and/or rifling then maybe some folks would like that feature about it.
Who wouldn't want to at least have a try at firing one just for the fun of it. :rolleyes:
 
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