National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA)

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Well, the bill was co-authored by Sens. Levin (D) and McCain (R) so it has bi-partisan support.
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I would say that Senator McCain and any Democrat makes for Partisan support.

Not that there is anything wrong with that. I'm pretty partisan myself. I just rarely agree with Senator McCain.

At the end of section 1031, add the following:
(f) EXTENSION TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS
AND LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—The authority
of the Armed Forces of the United States
to detain covered persons under this section
extends to citizens of the United States and
lawful resident aliens of the United States,
except to the extent prohibited by the Constitution
of the United States."
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Since Federal Courts interpret what is and is not prohibited by the Constitution this probably means that they will detain whoever they decide to detain and let it be tied up in the courts. So the detention could be months or years until the Constitutionality is decided.
 
Utah and Wyoming have 1 million residents? :eek:
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Utah has more than 2.7 Million documented residents, according to the 2010 Census.
Wyoming has more than 500,000, according to the 2010 Census.

Utah, Colorado... does it really make a difference which is which when they're both big areas of nuttin? :D
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It makes a big difference. Many Colorado cities are aligned more with NYC and DC, than anything out West. Since we intend to keep the corruption to a minimum, and maintain our big area of nuttin'... it makes a big difference. ;)

It's like saying everyone in Pennsylvania is exactly the same as everyone in New York, because both states are in the same, worthless part of the country. :D
 
Obama has already subverted Posse Comitatus with one of his executive orders:

Obama Executive Order 13528 Subverts Posse Comitatus Act of 1878

On January 11, 2010, President Obama signed Executive Order (EO) 13528 (PDF) — right after the over-hyped Flight 253 ‘terrorist’ attack, the fraudulently engineered Swine Flu pandemic and a few other man-made disasters — that, among other things, establishes a Council of Governors, chosen by the President who, as noted by the Intel Daily, will rubber-stamp long-sought-after Pentagon contingency plans to seize control of state National Guard forces in the event of a ‘National Emergency.’
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http://www.billslinksandmore.com/Bi...r-13528-subverts-posse-comitatus-act-of-1878/
 
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Congress should quit wasting it's time on persecuting it's own, and outline the rules of engagement for U.S. citizens who encounter terrorists on domestic soil. The Homeland, as they like to call it these days, hoakey as it sounds.

It is well established by now the U.S. is at war with terrorists. Enemy combatants, if they cannot be captured, can be justifiably killed. Citizens need a guarantee they will not be prosecuted under state statutes for their actions in this respect.

Now, that would be a ruling more in keeping with the times, they are a-changin'.

It would also be a big plus if the Fed indicated what caliber is best...
 
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secret_agent_man said:
It would also be a big plus if the Fed indicated what caliber is best...
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I think they should just issue every veteran who isn't a "prohibited person" a surplus M16 and a few hundred rounds of that "obsolete" 55-grain 5.56mm ammo the troops don't seem to think is worth shooting.
 
Crazy

I thought i would never have seen this coming in my lifetime. This is the most AntiAmerican Government i have ever seen. Our elected goverment officials were sworn to uphold the US Constitution, that being said We the people need to, '' PREPARE'', for the worst.
 
Believe it or not, it was almost much worse:

Although the fact that indefinite detention without trial has now been codified into law by way of Section 1031 of the National Defense Authorization Act, an attempt was made at the last minute to fast-track an even more horrifying amendment into the NDAA bill via a voice vote.
Amendment No. 1274 would have given the federal government the power to detain U.S. citizens until Congress declared the ‘war on terror’ over, which we have been told is a never-ending multi-generational conflict. The provision also gave the feds the power to keep an American incarcerated even if they were tried and found not guilty.
Thankfully, Republican Senator Rand Paul discovered the provision and was able to request a last ditch roll call vote. The amendment was eventually defeated by a worryingly narrow final vote of 41-59.
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http://www.infowars.com/senate-bill...ined-even-after-they-had-been-found-innocent/
 
turbotype87 said:
We the people need to, '' PREPARE'', for the worst.
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"We the people" are our own worst enemies up to this point in time. Complacency, apathy, the re-writing of history and redefining of constitutional ideals have led us down this path. The solution is simple. When an elected official espouses views and supports or puts forth laws which are unconstitutional, "we the people" should be voting them out of office. We need to teach our children and each other the original meaning of the constitution, the intent behind it, the purpose of our government and the ideals of the founders.

Until that happens, we're doomed.
 
"We the people" are our own worst enemies up to this point in time. Complacency, apathy, the re-writing of history and redefining of constitutional ideals have led us down this path. The solution is simple. When an elected official espouses views and supports or puts forth laws which are unconstitutional, "we the people" should be voting them out of office. We need to teach our children and each other the original meaning of the constitution, the intent behind it, the purpose of our government and the ideals of the founders.
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True that!! And push for repeal of the 17th Amendment, I would add.
 
"We the people" are our own worst enemies up to this point in time. Complacency, apathy, the re-writing of history and redefining of constitutional ideals have led us down this path. The solution is simple. When an elected official espouses views and supports or puts forth laws which are unconstitutional, "we the people" should be voting them out of office. We need to teach our children and each other the original meaning of the constitution, the intent behind it, the purpose of our government and the ideals of the founders.

Until that happens, we're doomed.
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Election time is coming and we the people need to vote out 536 clowns in the area known as DC or as many incumbents this time around and the vote the balance out next cycle time around
 
Despite wide spread weird media accounts that is not what was written in the bill. The wording was the same as it has been for the past five years with an exemption for US citizens.
 
I hear a lot about how bad things are today... and I agree. But any assertions about this time being bad in unprecedented ways are more alarmist than helpful, IMHO... just look at the Alien and Sedition Acts, way back in 1798, when the authors of the Constitution were still in office.

Politics suck, and National Politics suck absolutely.
 
Although i see this in the bill:
(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.
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it does creep me out that potential AL-Quaida (however you spell that) agents detained in the U.S. are going to be put under military control. I think this country has functioned pretty well for the past 2 centuries with out a national police force. I don't know where this plan is headed, but it doesn't seem to be a positive development.
 
it does creep me out that potential AL-Quaida (however you spell that) agents detained in the U.S. are going to be put under military control. I think this country has functioned pretty well for the past 2 centuries with out a national police force. I don't know where this plan is headed, but it doesn't seem to be a positive development.
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For nearly a hundred years most places had NO police force at all.

The military has functioned as an enforcer of (and violator of) civil rights and various laws in the entirety of the history of the US. You would be hard pressed to point to a period in US history where the US military was NOT used in the police role. Detainees have been famous and infamous.
 
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For once Obama has indicated he will veto this bill. Isn't this in direct contradiction to the Constitution????? McCain should have been thrown out long ago. These morons in DC have got to go in the next election. I read an article that only 7 of them voted against it.
 
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