Narrowed It Down To These 2 Bolt Rifles From Remington & Savage

[I shot a deer this year with a Savage .270 with a muzzle break. After I shoot the ear splitting crack totally distracted me from the shot. Luckily the deer was DRT. My ears where hurting hours after wards. Never another muzzle break on a hunting rifle. That being said this looks like you'll be using it for target shooting so this may be a mute point.]

Short barrels and muzzle brakes will ruin one's hearing FAST. I would much rather install a first class recoil pad and go to a smaller cartridge than use a muzzle brake.

Jerry
 
REMINGTON!!! Time proven design.
When have you ever heard of the military or police using a Savage?
And really, a muzzle brake on a .308? WHY?
 
Out of those two Rifles, I would rather have the Remington, I like the Stainless Better, and really hate muzzle breaks.
Both are good rifles though.
 
Regardless of brand (Rem or Savage or whatever), I would never purchase a .308 Win chambered rifle with a muzzle brake on it. It does nothing but make noise and tick off the people near you on the firing line. The Savage 10 FCP heavy barrel rifle has very little recoil. I just put 165 rounds through mine last week during a precision rifle course....no recoil issues at all. If you can't shoot a rifle like this without a muzzle brake, you need to readdress your rifleman skills, IMHO. There is a place and time for a muzzle brake and a .308 Win firearm is not one of them.

These threads are always interesting in that one or more contributors usually pipes up with comments about the large amount of aftermarket parts support for Rems. If the reason to buy a Rem is so one can take advantage of all of the aftermarket support, then why not just buy a Rem action and build one? Paying for a stock, trigger, barrel, etc. twice seems silly at the least. I realize Savage doesn't have near the aftermarket parts support....but then again, is it needed? I put a scope and a Karsten's cheek piece on my 10 FCP HS-Precision and called it done. Last week, my best group at distance was .43 MOA @ 400 yds....and that was my first rifle course for shooting anything past 100 yds. I'm pretty sure I don't need new parts on my rifle, just more trigger time.

I'll admit I may be biased, somewhat anyway....my out of the box Savage will consistently shoot groups 2 to 3 times tighter than my range buddy's Rem 700 Police. Maybe he needs to afford himself the opportunity to try some of those aftermarket 700 parts? I'll remind him next time we are at the range. :)
 
Not start an argument but comparing the 700p to your savage isn't the same as the 5R to your savage. I've yet to see a 5R that wont shoot, not to dis credit anyone's 700p but the accuracy reports on the 5Rs are great, right there with savage.. no aftermarket parts include ;)
 
Understood....my bad for comparing a 700 Police to my Savage. I was mostly responding to the "after market parts" comments....which I guess have nothing to do with the 5R either, except that they appear in this thread....well before I commented. And I hoped the OP wouldn't get a muzzle braked .308 Win any model/brand firearm.
 
It's no problem.

In defense of the muzzle brake i've contemplated braking my .308 many times. As in another thread discussed, brakes have their places on SA calibers. People that don't see .308 needing a brake i think are not thinking with the same thought as i see. Hunting, i completely understand how you wouldn't want a brake, i have a 300wby braked and it's pretty miserable in the woods. But shooting all day in a comp, i see it as a very convenient for spot shots, reducing fatigue and recoil.

Not that 700p aren't accurate i've just read of people that have both and say their 5R consistently shoots better. I own a 5R also and i haven't had a load yet that wont shoot 1/2 MOA or better when i do my part. That being said just because i don't like the aesthetics of savages doesn't mean i don't know that they make a hell of a rifle.
 
I'd buy the Remington. Stainless construction, much better stock, much better trigger, no silly muzzle brake, and in my experience better accuracy. In the long term Remingtons tend to hold up and last longer.

You may save what seems like a lot of money on the Savage for now, but in 10 years that small difference will be long forgotten. Especially if you ever try to sell the gun down the road. The Remington will retain a much larger percentage of it's initial cost.
 
I'd say Savage if the Remington didn't look so good!
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200 dollars will buy a Bell and Carlson or Choate drop in stock which is better than stock than either one. Spend a little more and get a CDI drop box magazine for it also.

Even better get a Savage 10 short action, screw on a aftermarket barrel, and drop it into that Bell and Carlson or Choate for and still beat the price of that Remington and you have something that out shoot and out look either one. Life's too short to shoot off the shelf rifles

You could do the same thing with a cheap Remington if you want to spend a couple of hundred more to have the Remington action trued so that it will shoot as well as a off the shelf Savage
 
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To the OP,Any of the rifles you listed will suit your needs for accuracy.
I have a Savage 10FCP and 12FLV,and have shot a friends Remington 5R.They all will shoot sub-moa all day long with a good shooter behind them.
It all depends on what you like.Both brands have a huge aftermarket for them,but Savage is a simple rifle to change out the barrels and shoot other calibers in a few minutes with simple tools at home.
I like the factory triggers from Savage a lot more than the triggers that Remington puts on their products.
 
IDAHO83501,And just what about Savage's finish is "SUBJECT"?
Sounds like your a brand snob to me.
I do like Savage's,but they're not the best rifle made.But neither is Remington or any other factory rifle.I own a couple Remington's as well as many other brands that are in my safe.
In todays market,it's hard to find a rifle that doesn't shoot good out of the box.
Why? Because while every major mfg was getting bought by big corporations,downsized,moved or whatever,Savage stepped up to the plate and started making some very,very good shooting rifles with what was at the time,the best factory trigger ever available to consumers.
Today,almost everyone makes a great shooting gun with good factory triggers.
I never owned a Savage before I shot a 110FLP Tactical 300WM.I'd always thought they were just cheap rifles,but after shooting one,it changed my mind.I now have 6 of them,and they all are great guns.

Talking about finishes,Just go look and operate the bolts on any Sako,Browning,Weatherby.You'll see just how unfinished a Remington really is!
 
I wouldn't call him a brand snob there are savage with finishes that aren't exactly up to standard. There are remingtons where the finishes aren't up to standard. Neither rifle is perfect and a custom puts both to shame, it's a factory rifle chances are if he gets into any competitive shooting he'll alter the rifle.
 
Lots of interesting comments. I own a Rem 700 in .223 and a Savage 111 in .270 Win.

The Rem is as it came except for a match kit installed in the trigger which helped a lot.

The Savage I bought the bottom end model, then installed a Boyds laminate stock and a Rifle Basix trigger.

I have put several thousand rounds through the Rem shooting sand rats and paper with no problems at all, it is still as accurate as ever.

Just bought the Savage last summer, have shot a couple of hundred rounds working up handloads for it and hunting hogs and deer. No issues with it either.

I think both are excellent choices and the neat thing about these 2 is, as several have mentioned, a wide variety of after market products available so it is very easy and inexpensive to upgrade or change configuration if you want to use the rifle for different uses. In my experience, if it is configured for how you intend to use it, you won't be disappointed with either rifle.
 
As far as accuracy goes both should be. I would also look at how light the adj trigger pulls could go. Are both bedded or not and as far as the grade of materials they are made with. These guns probably could do superbly with reloads. Find a pet load just for your particular rifle and at 100 yards they should both make a jagged hole.
 
Ah, that reminds me of one inportant thing I forgot to mention in my earlier post. The Remington X Mark Pro trigger sucks. Mine wouldn't go below 4 lbs, and my brother's won't either. The older triggers were awesome when adjusted down, but the one isn't particularly crisp or light.

The Accutrigger on the other hand is great. It lacks the high quality look of other's but the pull is awesome.
 
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