Mystery gun

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I have a .22 rifle that has that action. My dad called it a Trappers rifle used to dispatch critters that were caught in traps. Think your example is a cut down. There is no serial no. Or manufacturer name.
 

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If sawn off from rifle - and I never saw a pistol on that action - it is a NFA no-no.
I doubt the black helicopters will descend on you for a single shot, but it has no value.
 
As fun as it may be to play with, I think I'd have to place a call to a local LE agency and have them pick it up. :(

Butting heads with the ATF isn't my idea of a good time.
 
So . . . it it wouldn't be too "forward" to ask - what is the history of it and how did you come by it?

I remember the "Trapper" which was the same action and the butt was a skeleton stock. The barrel length of what you have doesn't seem like it would ever be a marketable gun for any purpose other than "making trouble' and I would bet that someone cut it down from the rifle.

Hate to ask but did you purchase through a FFL? I kind of doubt that it meets the "legal status" and if it were mine, I'd be putting the hacksaw to good use and scattering the cut up little pieces to the wind. It reminds me of something that you'd fine on the "street", carried by someone who didn't care if it was legal or not.
 
I have a similar one. Mine is complete. It is a .22 rifle .410 shotgun single shot that breaks down in two pieces. Mine is made by Bauer Firearms Company in Fraser, Michigan. You will have to excuse the poor quality pictures.
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I have both the .22 and the .22/410 versions of that.

As others have said, there was never a pistol version of it made.

As such, it's an illegal weapon and needs to be surrendered. Hanging on to it is not a wise choice.
 
I was asked by the thrift store ( because I'm a "gun guy") if I had any knowledge of the firearm. I told them I thought it was illegal due to the hacked off barrel. But I knew a website (this one) full of knowledgeable people that may help shed light on the item.
I will inform them today they need to hand it over to the local LEO.
 
Not so sure that's an illegal gun. With the stock chopped off, that is a 22 pistol, not a rifle, and is not an NFA gun. It would be an NFA gun if it had the stock on it.

Update: I'm incorrect. Appears to be illegal if the stock was shortened/removed by a third party. How stupid is that?
 
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It is absolutely an illegal gun. SBR tax stamp must be obtained BEFORE the rifle is cut down. You cannot cut the barrel down and then cut the stock down and call it a legal pistol. It doesn't work that way. It will never be a "pistol". It will always be a "short barreled rifle" and said tax stamp must be obtained first. Take a torch to it and melt it down.
 
"Take a torch to it and melt it down."

No. That could be construed to be tampering with evidence.

The only appropriate course of action is to surrender it.

I couldn't remember the common name of these, it's the Garcia Bronco (finally the brain pulled that up).

So, I googled on Garcia Bronco and I found this thread. Someone really put some work into it. But it's still likely illegal as hell.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/917793__ARCHIVED_THREAD____Gun_identification_please.html&page=1
 
Agree its not legal. Agree it cannot be made legal. Agree that the law is stupid, but it is the law. And most definitely agree that destroying it, on your own (or anything else, like tossing it in the lake) is A CRIME!!!

I believe that surrender to local law enforcement (police /sheriff, State patrol) is sufficient. They will contact ATF and take it from there.

You can, of course contact the ATF directly and deal with it, but surrendering it to local law enforcement is both more convenient, and it gets it out of your hands. Generally speaking, if you go to the cops and say, I think this gun isn't legal, and I don't want it, they will take it from you and say thanks!

You can also get a lawyer, and follow their advice. Other than the cost, its seldom a bad idea.

Tell the folks at the thrift store to call Officer Friendly to come and get it. He will.
 
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It is absolutely an illegal gun. SBR tax stamp must be obtained BEFORE the rifle is cut down. You cannot cut the barrel down and then cut the stock down and call it a legal pistol. It doesn't work that way. It will never be a "pistol".
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+1, and here's the legal citation from 26 USC § 5845(a), my emphasis in boldface:
(a) Firearm
The term “firearm” means (1) a shotgun having a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length; (2) a weapon made from a shotgun if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length; (3) a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length; (4) a weapon made from a rifle if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length; (5) any other weapon, as defined in subsection (e); (6) a machinegun; (7) any silencer (as defined in section 921 of title 18, United States Code); and (8) a destructive device. The term “firearm” shall not include an antique firearm or any device (other than a machinegun or destructive device) which, although designed as a weapon, the Secretary finds by reason of the date of its manufacture, value, design, and other characteristics is primarily a collector's item and is not likely to be used as a weapon.
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Such a weapon is considered equivalent to an SBR and is taxed like one. The ATF just doesn't call out a specific category for "Weapon Made From a Rifle." More here.

There is some confusion about this concept because you CAN lawfully start with a pistol and assemble a non-SBR 16"+ barrel rifle from it WITHOUT invoking the NFA; this is why items like the MechTech Glock Carbine Conversion Kit and Beretta Neos Carbine Kit may be purchased without a tax stamp. IOW pistol-to-rifle is OK, but rifle-to-pistol invokes the NFA, even if the resultant firearm is a 100% legal pistol in every respect OTHER than having started out as a rifle.

Yes, this absolutely makes little to no sense on an intellectual level, but the NFA was not written with modular firearms in mind, and the law is the law. :rolleyes:

[EDIT TO ADD] Since this is the C&R forum, perhaps it's worth mentioning that some C&R firearms that would otherwise be SBRs have been exempted from the NFA. However, this classification is specially bestowed by the ATF on specific firearms that originally came in an SBR-like configuration. C&R status does not automatically exempt a modified firearm from the NFA.
 
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