My Wife is concerned that I am getting extreme.
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Steve Smith
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Mrs. Bornman, My wife was in a similar situation a year ago as you are now. Since you asked for female responses, I kinda feel like I'm butting in, but I'll be short. My wife took an NRA approved course (one that I'm now helping to instruct) and whenever she seemed open to listen, I talked to her about rights an America's history. She now has decided all on her own that she likes having a gun of her own, and she carries it every day. I'll shut up now, but I jsut wanted to ring in. Please, Mrs. Bornman, give us some feedback on what you've read on this thread.
RugerMarkII
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When I moved down to Indiana to live with my then boyfriend, now husband, I brought the first gun into our household--a CZ75 9mm. I really don't know what my hubby's thoughts on guns was at that time, he didn't object to my having one, however. In 1996 we both applied for our carry permits and we know have a few more additions to our collection. We belong to a local gun club (he is the treasurer and I am the membership chair).
My husband spends a lot of his free time reading TFL, AR15, shooters.com, and I'm sure, many others. I stay here. He is also a lot more 'up' on legislation affecting our rights than I am. However, I am the one with the NRA life member sticker on her car and the one with a bumper sticker that reads "Charlton Heston is my President" on her back window. It's a split, I really don't care for all the time he spends on the computer, and he doesn't care for the fact that I 'advertise' my support of gun rights.
Your husband is fine and you may want to look over his shoulder occasionally and see what's up. It may scare you.
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Kim
NRA Millenium Life Member
My husband spends a lot of his free time reading TFL, AR15, shooters.com, and I'm sure, many others. I stay here. He is also a lot more 'up' on legislation affecting our rights than I am. However, I am the one with the NRA life member sticker on her car and the one with a bumper sticker that reads "Charlton Heston is my President" on her back window. It's a split, I really don't care for all the time he spends on the computer, and he doesn't care for the fact that I 'advertise' my support of gun rights.
Your husband is fine and you may want to look over his shoulder occasionally and see what's up. It may scare you.
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Kim
NRA Millenium Life Member
MountainGun44
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Mrs. Bornman-
Your husband is a very disturbed man. Please bring him in to be deprogrammed at your local Democratic Party Headquarters. Afterwards he can enroll in the 12 step program offered by N.O.W. so he will see that no resonable person can be against sensible gun laws.
I apologize for addressing you using your "slave name", but it is all that I had.
Sincerely,
MountainGun44's Wife
Your husband is a very disturbed man. Please bring him in to be deprogrammed at your local Democratic Party Headquarters. Afterwards he can enroll in the 12 step program offered by N.O.W. so he will see that no resonable person can be against sensible gun laws.
I apologize for addressing you using your "slave name", but it is all that I had.
Sincerely,
MountainGun44's Wife
My wife felt the same way that you do..this lasted for many years. I did not push her but I used to hide the gun in a gun bag in the car when I found it whenever she took it out of the car.
Finally, when my daughter was born and my wife ended up taking her to school on the way to work, my wife on a rainy day had some nutcase drive up behind her car and act like he was going to hit her car, then he passed her and hit his brakes in what looks like an attempt to have her crash into him. Finally, he hit the brakes, jumped out of his car and started walking towards her car with a tire iron in his hand and he was cussing at her. Since it was a narrow road she did not want to try to drive past him because my 5 year daughter was in the front passenger seat at the time and she didn't know if this BG would harm her as they drove by.
My wife hunkered down in the car and reached for the gun,drew it and opened the driver's door a small crack. She said that in defense of our daughter, she then had the resolve to shoot this BG if he made any move to swing the tire iron or to move closer. She did not show the gun, but the BG must have sensed something because he stopped, cussed at her, and saluted her resolve with his upraised hand, and drove off.
She now carries all the time.(It's been 8 years now.)
Finally, when my daughter was born and my wife ended up taking her to school on the way to work, my wife on a rainy day had some nutcase drive up behind her car and act like he was going to hit her car, then he passed her and hit his brakes in what looks like an attempt to have her crash into him. Finally, he hit the brakes, jumped out of his car and started walking towards her car with a tire iron in his hand and he was cussing at her. Since it was a narrow road she did not want to try to drive past him because my 5 year daughter was in the front passenger seat at the time and she didn't know if this BG would harm her as they drove by.
My wife hunkered down in the car and reached for the gun,drew it and opened the driver's door a small crack. She said that in defense of our daughter, she then had the resolve to shoot this BG if he made any move to swing the tire iron or to move closer. She did not show the gun, but the BG must have sensed something because he stopped, cussed at her, and saluted her resolve with his upraised hand, and drove off.
She now carries all the time.(It's been 8 years now.)
My wife felt the same way that you do..this lasted for many years. I did not push her but I used to hide the gun in a gun bag in the car when I found it whenever she took it out of the car.
Finally, when my daughter was born and my wife ended up taking her to school on the way to work, my wife on a rainy day had some nutcase drive up behind her car and act like he was going to hit her car, then he passed her and hit his brakes in what looks like an attempt to have her crash into him. Finally, he hit the brakes, jumped out of his car and started walking towards her car with a tire iron in his hand and he was cussing at her. Since it was a narrow road she did not want to try to drive past him because my 5 year daughter was in the front passenger seat at the time and she didn't know if this BG would harm her as they drove by.
My wife hunkered down in the car and reached for the gun,drew it and opened the driver's door a small crack. She said that in defense of our daughter, she then had the resolve to shoot this BG if he made any move to swing the tire iron or to move closer. She did not show the gun, but the BG must have sensed something because he stopped, cussed at her, and saluted her resolve with his upraised hand, and drove off.
She now carries all the time.(It's been 8 years now.)
Finally, when my daughter was born and my wife ended up taking her to school on the way to work, my wife on a rainy day had some nutcase drive up behind her car and act like he was going to hit her car, then he passed her and hit his brakes in what looks like an attempt to have her crash into him. Finally, he hit the brakes, jumped out of his car and started walking towards her car with a tire iron in his hand and he was cussing at her. Since it was a narrow road she did not want to try to drive past him because my 5 year daughter was in the front passenger seat at the time and she didn't know if this BG would harm her as they drove by.
My wife hunkered down in the car and reached for the gun,drew it and opened the driver's door a small crack. She said that in defense of our daughter, she then had the resolve to shoot this BG if he made any move to swing the tire iron or to move closer. She did not show the gun, but the BG must have sensed something because he stopped, cussed at her, and saluted her resolve with his upraised hand, and drove off.
She now carries all the time.(It's been 8 years now.)
You may well find that your offer of support in his quest to make his family safe would prove invaluable...chances are, we at TFL would see much less of your spouse (or more of you) if you were to show support for his mindset.
Generally, people are bothered by unsolved problems. Seatbelts and defensive driving solve most fo the road hazards. Fire extinguishers solve grease fires. People don't worry about such issues...and he may well stop worrying about RKBA *as much* if his own family was solidly on his side.
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Oleg "peacemonger" Volk
http://dd-b.net/RKBA
Generally, people are bothered by unsolved problems. Seatbelts and defensive driving solve most fo the road hazards. Fire extinguishers solve grease fires. People don't worry about such issues...and he may well stop worrying about RKBA *as much* if his own family was solidly on his side.
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Oleg "peacemonger" Volk
http://dd-b.net/RKBA
Pardon my intrusion into your discussion but being female and a gun owner I thought I might contribute to this chatter.
I am single and living alone in Los Angeles - now that alone ought to scare the heebies out of you. California has some of the worst gun laws around and carrying a weapon is not smiled upon. I do it anyway simply because I am responsible for my own safety.
I learned this lesson years ago thanks to a stalker who made an attempt on my life. My local police department was a ridiculous nightmare of a joke. That man in blue carrying a gun actually had the grapes to tell me that I could walk out of the station and be gunned down by my stalker and they could/would do nothing to protect me. A real eye opener. After a month or so of being terrorized at work, on the street and in my home, I armed myself out of necessity. In the dark I would follow this whack from window to window prepared to protect myself as law enforcement could not. I let him know that I was armed and would blow him away if he tried to enter my home. After several job changes and at least 7 moves (5 different cities), I still get the occasional phone call from him. You can run but you can never hide so you'd better be prepared for anything.
Some people may say I armed myself out of fear but the fear vanished when I became responsible for my own safety. I was never more terrified than when relying on law enforcement for my safety and being told to run along and give 'em a call when I was dead.
I don't consider your hubby or anyone on this board extreme - just enlightened. I am a newbie here but each time I've visited I've gone away with something to think about. The educational value is immeasurable and you probably won't find a better educated or thought provoking group of people on the net.
I actively fight for my right to own a gun for if I don't who else will? I'm just thankful to see I'm not alone.
Sorry to be so long in type.
Best wishes to the new babe and the family.
I am single and living alone in Los Angeles - now that alone ought to scare the heebies out of you. California has some of the worst gun laws around and carrying a weapon is not smiled upon. I do it anyway simply because I am responsible for my own safety.
I learned this lesson years ago thanks to a stalker who made an attempt on my life. My local police department was a ridiculous nightmare of a joke. That man in blue carrying a gun actually had the grapes to tell me that I could walk out of the station and be gunned down by my stalker and they could/would do nothing to protect me. A real eye opener. After a month or so of being terrorized at work, on the street and in my home, I armed myself out of necessity. In the dark I would follow this whack from window to window prepared to protect myself as law enforcement could not. I let him know that I was armed and would blow him away if he tried to enter my home. After several job changes and at least 7 moves (5 different cities), I still get the occasional phone call from him. You can run but you can never hide so you'd better be prepared for anything.
Some people may say I armed myself out of fear but the fear vanished when I became responsible for my own safety. I was never more terrified than when relying on law enforcement for my safety and being told to run along and give 'em a call when I was dead.
I don't consider your hubby or anyone on this board extreme - just enlightened. I am a newbie here but each time I've visited I've gone away with something to think about. The educational value is immeasurable and you probably won't find a better educated or thought provoking group of people on the net.
I actively fight for my right to own a gun for if I don't who else will? I'm just thankful to see I'm not alone.
Sorry to be so long in type.
Best wishes to the new babe and the family.
Andrew Bornman
New member
Hello Everyone,
Thanks for all the reply's to my concerns. Especially to the few woman who responded, even though there doesn't seem to be many of you out there. Right now somehow I already feel better just knowing there are others who have felt as nervous as I.
It's not about being afraid of having guns around, I grew up with my Dad having guns around. And I'm getting use to my husband being a carrier, it's more about having my eyes opened to things and being scared of what really is happening and knowing I need to make some decisions about what I need to do. I've been shooting with Andrew, and at times have enjoyed and at other times walked away crying because I think about using it in a real situation (myself) and it scares me. I know bad things happen to good people, bad things have happened to me and guns have been apart of that. So, I've been a victim and I don't want to be again. I'm not afraid to use Andrew's loaded shotgun or CZ that's under my pillow at night when he's away. But...carrying in public is a whole different issue somehow. Anyway, now I'm rambling but... this is a good place to get some of my thoughts out where in other circles I would be shot down for even talking about guns let alone saying I might go get a concealed carry permit.
Thanks to all of you who want to help out my marriage, well, that is exactly why I've come to TFL because I might as well find out what my husband is up to and learn a bit with him. It certainly has made him happy to see me write something myself.
Well, I guess that's all my thoughts for now.Maybe I will come visit you all again.
Thanks again,
Iris (Mrs. Bornman)
Thanks for all the reply's to my concerns. Especially to the few woman who responded, even though there doesn't seem to be many of you out there. Right now somehow I already feel better just knowing there are others who have felt as nervous as I.
It's not about being afraid of having guns around, I grew up with my Dad having guns around. And I'm getting use to my husband being a carrier, it's more about having my eyes opened to things and being scared of what really is happening and knowing I need to make some decisions about what I need to do. I've been shooting with Andrew, and at times have enjoyed and at other times walked away crying because I think about using it in a real situation (myself) and it scares me. I know bad things happen to good people, bad things have happened to me and guns have been apart of that. So, I've been a victim and I don't want to be again. I'm not afraid to use Andrew's loaded shotgun or CZ that's under my pillow at night when he's away. But...carrying in public is a whole different issue somehow. Anyway, now I'm rambling but... this is a good place to get some of my thoughts out where in other circles I would be shot down for even talking about guns let alone saying I might go get a concealed carry permit.
Thanks to all of you who want to help out my marriage, well, that is exactly why I've come to TFL because I might as well find out what my husband is up to and learn a bit with him. It certainly has made him happy to see me write something myself.
Well, I guess that's all my thoughts for now.Maybe I will come visit you all again.
Thanks again,
Iris (Mrs. Bornman)
Hi, Iris,
We're a little mixed-up in this family. My husband likes guns. I'm more interested in the freedom aspects of the 2nd Amendment. We're working on each other's shortcomings there.
Reading some of the reason's why we have the 2nd amendment in the first place might make you realize the importance of it. It's not there to ensure a good hunt. And once it's gone, it's not coming back.
We have children, now in their teens. I am not the least concerned that either of them will be involved in gun violence that they initiate. They have been taught since they were small that guns are tools and need to be used safely.
Recognizing the need for self-defense, you need to realize the threat is just as likely to occur outside your home. At home, you have a door, hopefully with a good lock. On your way to the store, it's you and the rest of the world. And the rest of the world is where the nuts are.
I'm not sure how much this helps. Good luck with the baby!
Colombe
PS. One good thing that *has* come from the push for gun regulation is that those who use guns are, for the most part, even more aware of the need for safety. The only good thing, though.
We're a little mixed-up in this family. My husband likes guns. I'm more interested in the freedom aspects of the 2nd Amendment. We're working on each other's shortcomings there.
Reading some of the reason's why we have the 2nd amendment in the first place might make you realize the importance of it. It's not there to ensure a good hunt. And once it's gone, it's not coming back.
We have children, now in their teens. I am not the least concerned that either of them will be involved in gun violence that they initiate. They have been taught since they were small that guns are tools and need to be used safely.
Recognizing the need for self-defense, you need to realize the threat is just as likely to occur outside your home. At home, you have a door, hopefully with a good lock. On your way to the store, it's you and the rest of the world. And the rest of the world is where the nuts are.
I'm not sure how much this helps. Good luck with the baby!
Colombe
PS. One good thing that *has* come from the push for gun regulation is that those who use guns are, for the most part, even more aware of the need for safety. The only good thing, though.
oberkommando
New member
You should only worry a little if your husband starts to carry in the shower and says he needs to send his gun out to have an all weather finish put on it so it will not rust while sitting in the soap dish.
What a dilemma... our husband's concern for our liberty, freedom and safety. At first I thought my husband was taking it to the extreme and maybe he was a little unbalanced. But when you are passionate about something, you have a tendency to go a little overboard at first. You might refer to a post I made back in Dec. of '99 "Is my husband normal?"
http://www.thefiringline.com:8080/forums/showthread.php?threadid=33403
I did it with a ficticious name "Lou" so that I could get feedback from TFL members without them knowing I was his wife. Of course some of the other husbands thought I was their wife! I had questions just like others who are ignorant about gun rights, gun control, the use of guns, the media (and how they LIE). As I asked questions, TFLers were in general patient, friendly & very knowledgable. They said some of the same things my husband had tried to tell me. The only way my husband and others can be knowledgeable is to read, post, discuss etc. So considering my husband does not go out drinking or bar hopping, gambling, peruses porn sites or other negative vices, I will not complain of the time he spends "chatting" with TFLers, reading his gun magazines etc. Bill is a great husband, my best friend, a wonderful loving father to our two grown children (19 & 21)and my business partner. We are with each other almost 24 hours a day. I thank God for a man like him in my life.
Just for your info, I have gotten my CCW license and carry when I can. We go shooting to keep in practice. This is an evil world we live in whether we like it or not. There are some real demented people out there and I sure don't want to be one of their victims. So, Mrs. Bornman, be thankful your husband is concerned about your liberty, freedom & safety... because if you and he don't, no one else will!
http://www.thefiringline.com:8080/forums/showthread.php?threadid=33403
I did it with a ficticious name "Lou" so that I could get feedback from TFL members without them knowing I was his wife. Of course some of the other husbands thought I was their wife! I had questions just like others who are ignorant about gun rights, gun control, the use of guns, the media (and how they LIE). As I asked questions, TFLers were in general patient, friendly & very knowledgable. They said some of the same things my husband had tried to tell me. The only way my husband and others can be knowledgeable is to read, post, discuss etc. So considering my husband does not go out drinking or bar hopping, gambling, peruses porn sites or other negative vices, I will not complain of the time he spends "chatting" with TFLers, reading his gun magazines etc. Bill is a great husband, my best friend, a wonderful loving father to our two grown children (19 & 21)and my business partner. We are with each other almost 24 hours a day. I thank God for a man like him in my life.
Just for your info, I have gotten my CCW license and carry when I can. We go shooting to keep in practice. This is an evil world we live in whether we like it or not. There are some real demented people out there and I sure don't want to be one of their victims. So, Mrs. Bornman, be thankful your husband is concerned about your liberty, freedom & safety... because if you and he don't, no one else will!
Dangus says, “... the belief that I have a right to kill people for being on my
property unwelcomed(Texas needs to learn this).”
Several glib, hopefully humorous answers come to mind, but it *is* a serious
subject. “Being on my property” covers a multitude of sins.
- “Being” inside my house uninvited and unwanted after I’ve closed it up and
gone to bed is adequate proof you are up to no good. In my house, I must
first assume you might be a family member who has forgotten our family
code, so I don’t shoot on sight. However, my family and friends know
enough to wake me up when coming into my home - I don’t like surprises
(even ‘good’ surprises). Present a threat to me and you will be “neutralized”.
- “Being” outside my home depends upon what you’re doing! Come up the
driveway to the front door and knock, you will be treated with respect until
you earn otherwise. Come lurking around the shrubbery, you’re a target.
What’s your problem?
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When I was a census worker for the 1990 census (I was between jobs and
needed temporary income), I “trespassed” up to forty times a day. I
remembered to close gates as appropriate, walk boldly and be friendly. I was
hassled sometimes for being “from the government” but immediately would
explain this was something temporary to feed my family. It was a very, very
hot summer - even for Texas. Nearly every home I visited offered me iced
tea or some cool water. Not quite “threatening”, is it?
My supervisor stated I visited nearly 5,000 homes. I felt endangered twice.
- Nobody home. Rottweiler loose! I was forced (by the dog) to sit on the
porch ‘till Mom came back from the store! (She apologized and gave me iced
tea!)
- Nobody home. Home is surrounded by brush. Hair goes up on the back of
my neck. I have no proof but I’d bet a thousand dollars I was in the
crosshairs of a riflescope! Acted boldly and openly, left my little paper on
their doorknob and left the premises immediately! Never saw a soul. Still
makes me shiver!
“When in Rome...” ,etc. If Iowans feel their land is public property, I’ll try to
remember that when I’m in Iowa. Texans are some of the warmest,
friendliest people on earth - so long as you are likewise. We don’t like
sneaks. We don’t like thieves or those who deface and destroy what we’ve
struggled to obtain and maintain. When you’re in Texas, remember that.
You’ll do fine and get to drink a *lot* of iced tea!
property unwelcomed(Texas needs to learn this).”
Several glib, hopefully humorous answers come to mind, but it *is* a serious
subject. “Being on my property” covers a multitude of sins.
- “Being” inside my house uninvited and unwanted after I’ve closed it up and
gone to bed is adequate proof you are up to no good. In my house, I must
first assume you might be a family member who has forgotten our family
code, so I don’t shoot on sight. However, my family and friends know
enough to wake me up when coming into my home - I don’t like surprises
(even ‘good’ surprises). Present a threat to me and you will be “neutralized”.
- “Being” outside my home depends upon what you’re doing! Come up the
driveway to the front door and knock, you will be treated with respect until
you earn otherwise. Come lurking around the shrubbery, you’re a target.
What’s your problem?
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When I was a census worker for the 1990 census (I was between jobs and
needed temporary income), I “trespassed” up to forty times a day. I
remembered to close gates as appropriate, walk boldly and be friendly. I was
hassled sometimes for being “from the government” but immediately would
explain this was something temporary to feed my family. It was a very, very
hot summer - even for Texas. Nearly every home I visited offered me iced
tea or some cool water. Not quite “threatening”, is it?
My supervisor stated I visited nearly 5,000 homes. I felt endangered twice.
- Nobody home. Rottweiler loose! I was forced (by the dog) to sit on the
porch ‘till Mom came back from the store! (She apologized and gave me iced
tea!)
- Nobody home. Home is surrounded by brush. Hair goes up on the back of
my neck. I have no proof but I’d bet a thousand dollars I was in the
crosshairs of a riflescope! Acted boldly and openly, left my little paper on
their doorknob and left the premises immediately! Never saw a soul. Still
makes me shiver!
“When in Rome...” ,etc. If Iowans feel their land is public property, I’ll try to
remember that when I’m in Iowa. Texans are some of the warmest,
friendliest people on earth - so long as you are likewise. We don’t like
sneaks. We don’t like thieves or those who deface and destroy what we’ve
struggled to obtain and maintain. When you’re in Texas, remember that.
You’ll do fine and get to drink a *lot* of iced tea!
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