My Wife is concerned that I am getting extreme.

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I need some nice pro-gun women to talk to her. She is not anti-gun. I'll let her express her own thoughts below.


My husband has become an avid reader of the firing line. Everytime I turn around he's enjoying reading up on his rights and entering in on the forums. It's not that I think you all are nuts I just haven't known anyone who can be as passionate as he can about the topic of gun control. I would like to hear feed-back from other women who have been either a little naive about all this (as I must admit I have been), or who have been converted to believe in carrying and using a gun for protection. I get a little nervous about actually carrying one myself. But after all I've never had children before and am expecting a baby in October, it may change my mind.

So if there's anyone out there who feels inclined to respond please do so. Thanks!
 
Gun control is bad. Learn to use a handgun and protect your self and your baby.. That would be good for the hubby too..
 
Mrs. Bornman,

Yes, there are a lot of women that support our Right to Keep and Bear Arms. In fact, there are a couple of women's gun rights organizations that I can think of off the top of my head.

One is the Second Amendment Sisters www.sas-aim.org They are the group that staged the counter rally and march to the Million Mom March in D.C. on Mother's Day. I was there. My wife is the Ohio state coordinator for this group.

The other is Women Against Gun Control. I'm not sure if they have a web site. I'm really not all that familiar with the group at all, really. But I have heard of them, so I guess that's something.

Better safe than sorry!



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I feel your pain. My wife also thinks I'm starting to "take it a little too far." In her eyes, this is taking it too far:

1. I want to buy a holster so that I can carry my Sig around the house, on the theory that if I ever need it I want it to be close. Also, I figure this way the only loaded gun in the house is on my person so it's much safer if we have guests.

2. I want to get more active politically--not just voting, but marching, protesting, and whatever else I can think of. She is afraid I'll endanger my job if I do this before I have tenure. I believe that tenure would do little to protect me if the school board really wanted me out and that by the time I have it, I'll also have a mortgage, car payments and maybe a child or two. Therefore, now is my best chance to be effective with fewer responsibilities to risk.

Does this sound like you? I'll try to get my wife to post her concerns in her own words to this thread, but she's not fond of TFL. She likes to shoot, sort of, but doesn't like how much time I spend here.
 
Hi,

Your post has only been up a half hour and you've gotten four replies already. I'm sure more women will respond as they log in. If you read some of the posts here, you will find as I did that most of the people here are the "salt of the earth." Lot's of us, like me, don't carry a gun all the time, but we want to know all we can find out about guns and their legal uses for defense.

Regards,

Ledbetter
 
My wife felt much the same as you for some time. Over the last year, though, she has really come to understand the grave situation we face in this nation. Now she understands.

She is also adamant about keeping firearms in the house at all times. We have two little ones that we must protect from harm. It is a great and grave responsibility that she and I will entrust to no one else.

If you feel that your husband is getting too extreme, remember that in the protection and defense of family and Constitution, there is not much that I would consider extreme.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>My husband has become an avid reader of the firing line. Everytime I turn around he's enjoying reading up on his rights and entering in on the forums. It's not that I think you all are nuts I just haven't known anyone who can be as passionate as he can about the topic of gun control. I would like to hear feed-back from other women who have been either a little naive about all this (as I must admit I have been), or who have been converted to believe in carrying and using a gun for protection. I get a little nervous about actually carrying one myself. But after all I've never had children before and am expecting a baby in October, it may change my mind.[/quote]

Hi ...

Having a baby very well might change your mind. Not necessarily right away, but as time goes on. That's what happened with me. It gradually sank in that when my husband wasn't around, it was entirely up to me to keep our kids safe. It's a big responsibility and being armed is one way (not even the most important way) I choose to fill that responsibility.

I can't tell from what you wrote whether you're more concerned about your husband's interest in gun issues, or about the amount of time he spends on the computer. If it's the former, you might want to read a little bit about gun issues yourself -- even if you don't always see eye to eye, it would be good for your marriage to be able to talk with him about the things that interest him.

If it's the time on the computer, though, I dunno what to tell you. :) No woman I know has ever figured out how to get a man away from his computer! (But be thankful it's TFL instead of porn sites ... it could be worse.)

pax

"No one will ever win the battle of the sexes. There's just too much fraternizing with the enemy." -- Henry Kissinger
 
Another great women's group, dedicated to self defense for women and their families, is Mothers Arms ( www.mothersarms.org ).

And, since you've asked for responses from women, I'll see if Mrs. Thomas is willing to poke her head in here. I know she worries about me from time to time as well, but I think that's been the case from day one. I like to think it's part of my 'charm'. ;)

Regards from AZ
 
Good evening Mrs. Bornman and welcome to TFL.
The issue of "gun control" extends far beyond our rights to keep and bear arms. In fact the right to own guns is merely the surface of a far greater underlying threat to we as citizens. It is about freedom and our rights to raise our families as we see fit, to speak about issues, to express our opinions, to worship as our faith directs us and the entire Bill of Rights. It is the attitude, the implications and the assured direction the country will take if the second amendment to the consitution falls. We as Americans are now facing the greatest threat to our national freedom that we have ever faced. Greater even than any war with another world power we have faced. There are those that will tell you that our owning guns is the only thing that stands between us (law abiding citizens) and tyranny. This is true...but it is more than that. If that right is taken from us it will clearly demonstrate that we, the people, will allow our other rights to be usurped by the same authority. Not simply that we will no longer have the means (guns) to defend the remaining rights but that we will have lost the foundation of the Bill of Rights. It will demonstrate that we now lack the awareness and the courage to defend the rights our founders fought for. Once one right is lost we no longer have the will or the tenacity to cling to those remaining. In more ways than one you husband, Andrew, is looking to the future of our great nation and not only where it is leading the two of you but your unborn child as well. My 21 year old son and his wife are expecting their first child and I wish that he would demonstate more of an interest in what is happening in our nation. There are far too few of us that do care enough or are aware enough to care.
It is no longer just about our guns. It is about America. The America your child grows up in depends on the actions of those of us now.

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Dear Mrs. Bornman,

My wife does not feel that she needs to carry a gun and I respect her decision not to do so. At the same time however, she has become quite skilled in shooting and has even taken three classes to improve her skills. While she will not carry, she has complete access to our emergency firearms for those times when I am not home or something has happened to me.

My wife and I started shooting together AFTER our baby was born. Now, more than ever, I have a need to protect my family. The basic drill is that in the event of an emergency, I cover the withdrawal as my wife claims the baby - be it from an intruder or from fire. We also have fire extinguishers for just such an emergency and we know how to use them...just as with the guns. She can do anything I can do.

It may not be prudent for you to start shooting at this time because of the loud noise and shock wave produced from firing a gun will be heard and felt by your unborn child. After giving birth, you will want to avoid handling your child after you have being shooting until you have changed clothes and bathed. You definitely want to be very clean if you breast feed and if you do breast feed, you want to avoid handling any of the gun cleaning supplies and you should not clean the guns yourself. Let your husband do it until your child has completely transitioned to solid food.

I assure you, there is nothing more precious than a beautiful little baby and there are a lot of people who would be quite fond of it...that you don't know.

By the way, out of the house, my wife carries pepper spray. It is the least you can do for your protection and that of your baby, plus, you can carry it now without danger to the child. Pepper spray and a high level of environmental awareness of the people and situations going on around you will greatly diminish you chances of being a victim.

Oh, and your husband may have gone off the deep end and be very enthusiastic, but keep in mind it is for the protection of you, your unborn child, and himself. Wouldn't you rather he be interested in something that can benefit the family as opposed to going bar hopping, playing golf, gambling, etc.?

Good luck with the little one!

Gopher .45
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Don Gwinn:
Does this sound like you? I'll try to get my wife to post her concerns in her own words to this thread, but she's not fond of TFL. She likes to shoot, sort of, but doesn't like how much time I spend here.[/quote]


Sigh. That's me and my wife. At least she carries her P228 everywhere. I just wish she would practice with it.
 
My wife is also a TFLer, so will see if I can get her to reply. In the meantime, here's my $0.02...

I own firearms, because the only credible defense against a gun- is another gun. Sure, you can run, and if you can- do so. But in your own home, there is no "duty to retreat". Consider that if you had an intruder, and you called 911, you would have to wait upwards of 5 min before help arrived. A lot can happen in 5 minutes...

As for being nervous about carrying- with sufficient practice and familiarity that will pass, and you will begin to feel more confident in your overall ability to defend yourself and your family. Also consider, that your husband needs someone watching his back if the manure strikes the rotary cooling machine ( :confused: ). What if he were hurt and there were more BGs? Who is going to fight the rest off? You do want Andrew to survive such an encounter, right?

Words cannot describe how grateful I am to have my Valkyrie :-X watching my six! :D

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[This message has been edited by Jedi Oomodo (edited July 21, 2000).]
 
(Ahem)... now that Jedi's managed to pull me away from proceeding on to Level 9 in Diablo, I'll put in my .02! :D

(me, spend too much time on the computer????) nah..... :D

Mrs Bornman,

I understand how you feel. When my husband and I first married, I liked guns, but wasn't into carrying much and hadn't really thought about the RKBA side of things. That all changed after I came here, and did some research at other places. Think about what you would do if you were out w/ your baby one day and were accosted by a 200+ lb male? How would you protect yourself and your baby? I think about things like that and it saddens me that so many people don't! For women, guns are the equalizer! I don't relish the thought of shooting someone, but I sure won't "go quietly into the night" and let them harm me or my loved ones.

I carry everywhere I am "legally" allowed to do so. At first I was nervous about carrying, as I have 2 young children. But I have "been a victim" of violent crime in the past, and didn't want to not be able to protect my children and I if the situation arose. My oldest child knows about all the guns we have, and also knows when I'm carrying. (My youngest is only 1,so I haven't had to worry about her yet). My daughter is going to get to shoot for the first time in a few weeks and is really excited. She knows all the safety rules about guns and I trust her.

For our family, firearms are a hobby and a passion. I'll tell you that a lot of people in my family do think we're nuts and don't understand why we're so passionate about firearms and RKBA issues. The 2nd Amendment's existence is fundamental to our living the way we want, and doing what we want. If the 2nd amendment "goes the way of the dinosaur" we will no longer be free. Others here have expressed that better than me, so I'll leave it at that.

In our home, we have a quite a few guns, all of them loaded. My husband works all night, so I keep a loaded shotgun under the bed in case an intruder comes in. If someone breaks into my house, their going to be shot, PERIOD. Some people (even here) would probably call me paranoid, I choose to call it prepared! If I take the dog out to walk at night, I take my handgun with me. We live in a semi-rough neighborhood near some gang "territory" so who knows what could happen!

I encourage you to read and study RKBA issues, it'd probably give you some better insight into your husband and might even make a "believer" out of you!

If you don't like him coming to TFL coz he's on the computer for hours on end, I can sympathize w/ both of you!!!! TFL is addictive!

(SORRY for the long-winded post, I had trouble collecting my thoughts tonight). :)

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Mrs. Bornman,

My wife feels much as you do, although she supports my "recreational" interest in handguns. I find her reservations ironic, since the primary reason I developed -- and have continuously improved -- my knowledge and ability with sidearms is to ensure her safety.

We live in fine suburban area in Fairfax County, Virginia. In our immediate neighborhood, crime is thankfully low. However, within a five-mile radius of our home there have been several armed home invasions, murders, carjackings, rapes, and so forth (perhaps one such serious incident every month).

My rational for handgun proficiency is truly simple, and I ask you to consider it:
> Bad things happen, even in the best areas.
> While the Fairfax Police are excellent, they cannot be omnipresent.
> Police response time to our home, once a 911 call is placed, is likely to be at least five minutes.
> MANY bad things can happen in that five (or more) minute waiting time.
> Therefore, since law enforcement cannot ensure our safety, it is my duty to do so.
> The more understanding and expertise I acquire regarding prudent, effective, and legal handgun use, the safer and more secure my family will be.

It is tragic that we live in times that demand these actions. About forty years ago, when I was a teenager growing up in a similarly nice community, this type of self-defense would have seemed absurd. However, I am unable to deny the obvious facts that confront all of us in contemporary America.

Sincerely and respectfully -- Roy Kiefer
 
I am not a woman, I don't have a wife, but I do know a lot of girls (90% or so of my friends are female). I get a lot of strange reactions to my home defense proceedures from my female friends. Some of them have no clue about my plans, but those that do took quite a bit of explaination to really understand the motivation. When I go to the door, I always am armed. Rarely does a person who approaches my door know this, but if something dangerous were to happen as a result of their presence, I would easily be able to kill them before they could kill me. This isn't a reaction to a feeling that bad guys are coming to my door every day, nor is it out of the belief that I have a right to kill people for being on my property unwelcomed(Texas needs to learn this). I keep that gun with me because trouble is always ready for you, and it is your responsibility to make sure you are ready for it. The police cannot be your bodygaurds, and even bodygaurds can't always save you. Ultimately, a great deal of your own personal safety, depends upon you. This is why people are so passionate about it, many of them come to the stark realization that the safety of their families and homes are their burden, and they realize people are trying to take that ability away from them for ignorant reasons. You should be proud of your husband, because he is helping fight a battle of mindshare, trying to promote the concept of personal liberty, a concept that was quite well thought out, and then drafted into law in the bill of rights. This isn't a guy/girl thing, that part is purely a social issue. This is a matter of your right to control your government, your right to put fear into their hearts and make them work for you, like they are supposed to. I know coming from a section of society that never thinks about guns, or only associates them with the bad elements, it must be hard to adapt to the thinking that they are a good and important thing for Americans, but his passion really is not over the line. As wild as it may seem, it's really driven by good things in all likelyhood. At the very least, try to really think about what motivates his reasons for supporting the RKBA, and then judge those reasons and figure out if they are reasons you agree with. If nothing else, it will help you get deeper inside his head, which can be a good thing for a marriage.

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What has always amazed me is how in ages past, people did things so far reaching that they realized that they might never actually see the accomplishment they were working on. In the Middle ages, it took many, many generations to build some of the most beautiful cathedrals, and palaces. The people beginning the work realized that they would be long dead before it was finished, and they didn't care. The work was done for "posterity". They did it so that their kids and grandkids down through the generations would be able to have something better. The American Revolution marked a change in all of mankind in that it wasn't a bunch of nobles waring with other nobles to gain control of property or people, although most of the founders were quite wealthy, and could have obtained positions of power in the Kings government, or set themselves up as princes, and noblemen here. They could have done what started Governments from time immemorial, and it would have been no different. Instead we had men who sacrificed their "lives, fortunes, and sacred honor" to put the power of government squarely in the hands of the governed. There is a distinct difference between the Government of the United States, and the Governments of England, and the Asian and African contentents. The difference is that once the Revolution was over, our founders stayed the course, and refused the temptations to create hereditary titles and other marks of nobility. It would have obviously been in the best interest of the rulers back then to set themselves and their families up in perpetuity and that is exactly what the English thought they were going to do. They couldn't believe that they actually didn't.
You have to ask yourself why? Why didn't they pursue selfish ends? They were certainly entitled to it. It would have been good for their kids and grandkids. They didn't because they had a vision greater than greed. Many of the founders lost everything. Homes, families, and livelihoods. In keeping with mankinds penchant for looking out for the future, they saw it as the next big step for mankind, and they set up a government subordinate to the Constitution to protect "posterity" from degrading into the European example. They spelled out exactly what their government should do and prohibited it from doing any thing else (10th amendment). As part of the protection for the people, they gave "posterity" the right to be armed. You'll notice that there is NO asteriks after the 2nd amendment. There is no limiting clause to the amendment. The reason being is that men are subject to corruption. Men are subject to temptation, and men are subject to succumb to greed and power. Not just Englishmen, not just Germans, but all men. It would not be hard to take control of the republic and turn it into somthing more prohibitive ( you'll recall that Rome was a republic prior to succumbing to the will of the Emperors). They didn't want that, they wanted their kids to taste the joys and defeats of being a truly free individual. To prosper if they worked at it, or to fail if they chose. The only way to keep honest men honest was to give "posterity" the basic tools to insure that their offspring would remain free. It has worked for over 200 years now. In a few times in our history, that basic primal right to (collective) defense has been used by the people to overthrow corrupt governments (mostly local like the one in Tennessee after WWII), and restore the will of the people as the legitimate "King".
We now have all but lost every right belonging to a citizen. I could write a book on this, and I probably will before it is over. You cannot show me one of my guaranteed rights enumerated in the bill of rights that has not been usurped somewhere by the Allmighty Federal Bureaucracy, and even my right to keep the tools to defend my liberty has come under fire. I have made the choice that I want my infant son to die more free than I lived. I want something better than socialist mediocrity, and a government pension. I want him to go out of this world in his old age knowing that there was a few people who defended his rights before he was even born. By ballot or bullet, but definately by God. I will always have the rudder to "right the ship" as long as I am at least armed as well as the folks who wish to take it away. I can always recover the rights we've lost as long as I can resort to the same arguement the Government will use against me: Force. This may seem like a rant from a lunatic mind, but I ask you; am I so different from our forefathers? Is our Governement now much different than that of King George III? All it takes is a few minutes of your time to read the Declaration of Independence, and you will come away with the feeling that overall, our government has become completely indistinguishable from that of Great Brittain in the late 18th century.
I purchase guns frequently. I do it as a reminder that I still can, and as long as I still can, we are still not too far gone. When there comes a time when I can nolonger go down to the gunstore and purchase a weapon for the defense of my family, property, and liberty, I will know that we have failed our great experiment.
I am a true believer. I don't vote, nor volunteer for campaigns, or write my congressmen out of a selfish desire to get more money from the gubmint. I do it for reasons I don't yet know, and some reasons I may never know. For the generations of unborn, and emigrants yet to arrive at our shores. It isn't for the immeadiate necessity that I can protect my home from the "bad guys" although it does do a very good job of that too.
Whenever you find yourself at the polls, or maybe doing somthing exceptionally short-sighted as most Americans do, just remember the Cathedrals, and the Founding fathers and indeed all the men who died on battlefields so that you can continue your free existence. Always vote and act for the future. That includes being armed as part of your obligation to those before you and those yet to come. I truly desire that we bring our land back around to what she was when my relatives got off the boat almost two hundred years ago. I don't want a government job, I don't want a guaranteed livelihood and the comfort of the Social Security System. I want to be absolutely free.

I wrote all of this so you can see that some of us are a little more off the deep end than your husband so it could be worse. You could be my wife having to listen to someone like me for the rest of your days! I meant every word I wrote, and believe that some things are still worth living for, and if necessary worth dying for. The protection of loved ones is an excellent reason to be interested in RKBA, but for some of us, it goes much deeper and farther out. I want to protect the rights of future Americans who may not draw their first breath for many generations after I'm gone. For me, that is what it's all about.
 
Mrs. Bornman-- Indeed, having a baby will make you a lot more concerned with self-defense issues. I was pretty liberal until I got married the first time, and joined my first wife in her business. The responsibilities of having a spouse, employees, or a child tend to make one more conservative, and wary of "letting the nice people in the gubmint take care of everything."
When you bypass the mainstream media you will find the scales falling from you eyes-- there is a well-orchestrated effort going on to abrogate the 2nd amendment, silence the first, and then all the others will fall. It'll be real nice for elites in charge of the rest of us-- for us, it won't be so nice, being muffled & disarmed.
It's appalling how much the TV, papers, & magazines WILL NOT talk about--ever. The Web is the only way to go for news ( well, talk radio is good, but it's slow--takes hours to cover everything )-- freerepublic.com & capitolhillblue.com are good places to start, and use their links to learn more.
The more you learn, the worse it all looks, but educating yourself is critcal--the networks sure aren't going to do it!
Good luck-- and may only good things come to your family.
John Rollinson
Brunswick, GA.
 
Hi Mrs. Bornman :)

I just read your post and I can understand how you feel. About a year ago (a little over a year now) I was all for gun control and actually HATED guns. I was very afraid of them and very apprehensive if I would see one. Although I had a pretty good reason for that, I had seen someone shoot himself in the head, and I was sitting about 3 inches from him. (If you click on my webpage the story is in there, I don't want to bore you here ;)) Anyway, I decided to educate myself on guns after speaking (online) to some gun owners. After that a friend took me shooting with proper instruction. I was VERY nervous but by the end of the day I couldn't have enjoyed it more. Going to the range, with a qualified person, really helped me get over my fears. It seems to me, that you are nervous around your husbands guns, which is normal if you aren't familiar with guns. I'm not sure if you have ever been shooting, but if you haven't I really recommend you and your husband go to the range one day (after the baby is born, you will need a day off anyways ;)). I have a 5 year old daughter and have always had the motherly instincts to protect her. Now that I have read up on so much, I realize this just isn't a safe world we live in and something *could* happen at any time. I am not a big person, should someone break in, I'm not sure I would win to be honest. A firearm gives me better odds of being able to protect my family rather than a kitchen knife, mace, etc. As of now, I do not own one yet but I will be getting a handgun for the home shortly.

I am guessing besides being nervous about the guns yourself, you also have concern for your child about to be born. We hear so many stories on TV about children getting their parents guns and accidents happening. That is a legit concern for many of us here. There are plenty of different ways the gun can be safely stored where you will not need to worry about your child getting their hands on it. I'm sure you will note that safety is every law abiding citizens main concern, no one wants their guns ending up in the wrong hands. As you learn more about firearms, you will also learn the safety that goes along with it. As you learn that, I think your fears may ease a bit. You are probably nervous around them now because you aren't too familar with them, right? I can't blame you because not knowing much about a self defense tool can be scary. Trust me though, the more you learn and try it for yourself, you will gain not only knowledge but respect for firearms.

It seems to me that your motherly instincts are already 'kicking in' and you want to do anything to protect that child. You have already taken a giant first step in asking your question and deciding if you want to carry one. I would recommend, while you are still pregnant, to read up on some information, visit some web sites, and ask alot of questions. After that precious baby is born you will be ready for the firing line and learn the last part of it, shooting it properly.

As for the passionate part of firearms, you will come to an understanding of that as well. Lawmakers are taking away so many of rights, that we fear one day we will not be able to protect our families, and that will become illegal to own a firearm. Gun control is a hot topic right now with the Presidential race going on and all the latest shootings. Law abiding citizens are very concerned that our second amendment rights will be taken away from those that have bodyguards and expensive security systems. I do think that is why your husband is so passionate about this issue. He, as a husband, and a soon to be Daddy, wants to protect his family should anything happen, the way things are going now, he may not be able to do so with new laws. So it is not just him, it is all law abiding citizens that are concerned. (Don't worry he hasn't gone mad on ya ;))

TFL is a great place to ask questions and get factual information. Had it not been for TFL and a few friends, I think I would still be anti-gun today. I hope you will visit TFL as often as your husband, we would love to have you here as a member.

Please feel free to email me anytime if I can answer anything for you, and if I can't (which is often) I will get the correct answer for you. My email address is above if you click on the little envelope.

Congrats to you and your husband on the new baby, best of luck to you. :) (BTW Oct is a good month, that is the month my little girl was born)

Sandy

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Well, Andrew. Everthing is relative, right? So all you have to do is get her to get on the computer and read some *select* threads from TFL, with all us "nuts" ranting about RKBA, etc. Print some out if you have to. Then, viola, suddenly you look pretty normal by comparison.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Andrew Bornman:
My husband has become an avid reader of the firing line. Everytime I turn around he's enjoying reading up on his rights and entering in on the forums. It's not that I think you all are nuts I just haven't known anyone who can be as passionate as he can about the topic of gun control. [/quote]

I think others have been doing a good job of explaining our thoughts and beliefs about guns and the 2nd amendment. So I will address somthing else. There are a lot of real good people here. Many of the people here are like family.
How many places do you know where you can go and feel welcome? How many places can you find "friends" that not only say they are concerned about someone but do something?

I imagine that is part of the reason your husband likes to hang out here.

Not to mention all the interesting discussions [well interesting for people into guns and related as a hobby].
 
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