My pet peeve, not being able to bring my gun to work...

[rick_reno]

Many locations have a "Bring Your Daughter To Work Day" or a "Bring Your Son To Work Day" each year... why don't you organize a "Bring Your Handgun To Work Day"? Hand out NRA stickers and ballooons?

That'd be the proverbial turd in the punchbowl.

I spent more than a decade at a very large semi-conductor company. A part of my job was to interface with the legal department and I became good friends with our lead counsel. We had similar interests - shooting. He was also a reserve deputy and an qualified armorer for one of his local police agencies, had an FFL and would handle ordering firearms for me when I wanted one. We had and have a good relationship, we still hunt elk together yearly tho we're both retired. The company had a zero tolerance toward firearms. I asked him about it and he stated in absolute terms that if they ever terminated anyone he knew over a gun in their car he would personally find legal representation for the employee. They never did terminate anyone in the 12 years I worked there for a gun in the car - and I personally know of one instance where they searched an employees car and found a handgun, after a threat had been made. This person wasn't terminated but was put on leave for awhile.

 

[CDH]

Hey Musketeer,
Yours is the kind of attitude I look for during an interview.

Take a wild guess if you'd get hired or not. Here's a clue: "If you break it be preparred to be fired but do not follow a stupid rule out of some misguided loyalty or morality you feel due to a hipocritical employer who puts his own $$$ far ahead of you life."

In that one sentence, you illustrate that:
1. Your value judgement is (in your own mind) far superior to the value judgement of the person responsible for others.
2. That you have already decided that I am a "hypicritical" employer which are the very beginnings of a developing attitude that you are much better qualified to do my job than I am. On the job, your attitude would be that things go YOUR way, with little regard to others input or opinions.
Therefore, when you are overlooked for a promotion, or fired, it will be MY fault that you were overlooked for promotion or fired, therefore, it's an easy transition for you to blame me and others for your difficulties.
THAT'S the kind of stuff I look for in an interview, and it has nothing to do with your attitude about guns at work, but simply about your attitude and how I can expect that to develop negatively over time.
Also note that an attitude like that is pretty much a commonality shared by virtually all of those who have gone on to commit violence in the work place.

And by the way, my Commander is kept for defense of ANY of my employees.

Carter

 

[Musketeer]

CDH,

Do you really think I let on that I am a packer to anyone I work with? I make a living doing international sales and manufacturing and can put any face on I choose. Odds are you would think me one of the most affable applicants you had ever encounterred. Only with my wife, core of 2A friends and on the annonimity of 2A forums do I let my full views out. The bottom line is you would NOT know what I really am. It is my employer's business whether or not I pack as much as it is their business what color underwear I have on. Neither are going to be seen by or effect them so it is a non-issue. I would not even question your ridiculous policy, simply ignore it. Questioning it would only draw attention to myself.

I am glad you think you can protect all your employees with your handgun. Do you by chance also believe the police can protect all people if they are unarmed? Do you see the problem with the logic here?

You give all these reasons why the workplace is such a dangerous place and at the same time state you are the only one allowed to defend himself. You state you are responsible for your employees safety but then specifically mention your liability if someone breaks the law.

You probably have a CCW, and should have already encounterred the many asinine arguments from the left regarding how people will just go crazy and start shooting each other after getting a CCW. How do you combat those arguments? Don't you see the exact same dynamic at work here.

Please explain to me how if a criminal breaks laws about carrying a gun illegaly as well as killing people it is YOUR liability. If such a tragedy were to happen at your facility I would hoe that if a CCW holder who was disarmed by you were a victim the family would sue you for leaving him defensless.

 

[Musketeer]

1. Your value judgement is (in your own mind) superior to the person responsible for other.

As far as me considering my value judgement superior to yours, of course I do! My value judgement is based on MY life and my Family's well being. Yours is probably based on yours. For me my personal value judgement will always be superior to antohers since only mine relates directly to me needs. You may try to sound noble indicating your value judgement is based on being responsible for others but you justify your decision with LIABILITY. I fail to see how your $$$ is worth more than my life.

2. That you have already decided that I am a "hypicritical" employer which would be the very beginnings of a developing attitude that you are much better qualified to do my job than I am.

I have worked for plenty of people who were morons in one aspect and talented in another. The current president I report to is an idiot in basic empathy issues and cannot relate to anyone in the company. He also has other glaring faults. At the same time there are things he does do better than I at the CEO level when it comes to international corporate functions, corporate wide financial planning and some other things.

You are without a doubt a hipocrit by your own writings but that doesn;t in any way mean you cannot run an effective company and are not suited to the job. My thinking your views on this issue are moronic would in no way affect a work relationship where I would never engage in a conversation on the subject, decieve if forced to, and could see other positive assest to working with you. I know what I want out of a work relationship and use every tool I have learned to gain it. Nothing comes from arguing directly with the boss, especially on a non-work related item and even when he is competely wrong. Far better to keep your eye on the real goal and use every interpersonal technique to attain it.

 

[CDH]

There 'ya go, Musketeer. I gladly allow you to have the last word because I think you've made my point better than I ever could.

I hope you feel MUCH better now.

Carter

 

[Marko Kloos]

Y'all can put away the tape measures now.

Closed.