My pet peeve, not being able to bring my gun to work...

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Mokumbear

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Like many workplaces, my office does not allow guns on the company's property.

While I respect their property rights, I don't like the fact I can't carry a gun and leave it in my car.

I know the NRA is working on this issue.

It bothers me to drive home late and unarmed.

As long as you don't tell anyone you have a gun in your car or threaten a coworker, would there ever be a situation where your employer could legally search your car?

What gets me, is the person who means to do bad things doesn't care about
HR policies, yet I suffer the consequences!
 
Depends on what is in your employee manual and what agreements you signed when you went to work there. Is the parking lot for employees only and not open to the public or customers.
 
Amen!

I work on cars "Honest mechanic I swear;) " but seriously the way some people act when they fail they're emmision test or the way some N.O. Katrina "Victims":rolleyes: (no not me) act I really wish I had the heater handy. And this isn't mall ninja talk, I have had some seriously tense adrenaline moments where I would like a plan "C".
 
The answer to your questions lie in your locality.

If your state has passed the appropriate legislation, you are fine.

Kentucky just recently put on the books a law that basically says that your employer, your employer's landlord, or the company which owns the building, can't prohibit you from having a firearm in your car in the parking lot, even if it's in a company parking lot. Additionally, your company cannot prohibit you from having a firearm in your car even if you use your car in the course of your business. The only exception is if the company provides the car.
 
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Pocketgun...

If I were a psychopath/sociopath, I wouldn't give a hoot about my
job, my HR manual or buying a quality stainless steel pistol that
might last a lifetime.

I simply don't like running errands in the dark, after work,
after being forcibly disarmed by my company's rules.

Like I said, this is an issue that the NRA is trying to address.
 
It’s a muddy situation for me. While I believe that anyone that has obtained a permit to carry should be able to carry anywhere without restriction, (including courts and schools) by forcing the owner of a location to allow you to carry on their property you are infringing on their rights. A middle ground might be them having to be responsible for the safety of (and held liable for said safety) their workers/patrons if they do so choose to restrict people from their own means of self defense. Maybe?

I dunno. I’m a big free market supporter. It would be nice if people simply stopped working for companies that do this and or shopping/supporting businesses that do this. That isn’t going to happen though. Too many entities restrict such things.
 
If your company owns the parking lot you could have an issue. Check your employee manual. Many will require you submit to a search of your person or car to prevent theft etc... while on company property.

My main concern would be that it got stolen out of your car and you had to report it.
 
Mokumbear said:
Pocketgun...

If I were a psychopath/sociopath, I wouldn't give a hoot about my
job, my HR manual or buying a quality stainless steel pistol that
might last a lifetime.

I simply don't like running errands in the dark, after work,
after being forcibly disarmed by my company's rules.

Like I said, this is an issue that the NRA is trying to address.
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I never said (or even considered for one second) that you were. I wasn't condemning what you were planning, just putting 2+2 together. That is why I put the smiley (:D) at the end of my post. In fact, I strongly support what you are doing and would do the same thing. Sorry to bother you. :(

I won't risk bothering you again with the group pic of my P-3AT, AMT Backup, and Seecamp side-by-side that I was about to post in your other thread, either.
 
My major fear is ANYTIME I'm seperated from my gun, if it's in a car, handbag, jogging pouch, I have the threat of theft, and, I arm another criminal.

S
 
By all means check your manual, if it's not in manual and ( this is the most important thing) they haven't had you sign something that says you understand your car is subject to a search at any time, then &#$! 'em! Even if it is against their policy, if they don't have legal access to your car (as in you signed something...or...MYABE a sign stating such on the gorunds MIGHT be sufficient) they can't search it to prove you violated any policy anyway.
 
My major fear is ANYTIME I'm seperated from my gun, if it's in a car, handbag, jogging pouch, I have the threat of theft, and, I arm another criminal.
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Very good point, but I think that fear can be greatly minimized if you hide the gun...say underneath the spare tire in the trunk perhaps.
 
Here's another thing to think about...is it possible for you to park OFF company property...across the street perhaps? I agree with the other poster...you definitely need to check your state's laws...your employer may be trying to implement something your state won't allow them to do.

Sorry...I know this is my third post in a row...stuff like this gets me p$%^#d too.
 
Troy26:
What good is the gun under the spare tire?
What if they steal the entire car?
I drive an old POS, hoping that guys will hit a more 'bling bling' type car.

I learned in Hawaii that having money, you better make sure you have 24/7 security, or, some low life is going to steal it.

If the company has security on the lot, I'd feel a bit better.

I'd seriously consider thunderwear, or the Air Marshall underarm holster, and keep something small, and light, on me, at all times. Screwem.
Worst they can do is fire you, and, they would have to have a reason to search you, which means, if you keep your mouth shut, they won't have it.

Also, they better not have metal detectors...

S
 
I figure someone should play Devil's Advocate here, so...

I am the owner of my company and therefore take note of more issues about carrying at work than some others might. So here's some random perspectives I'll throw out here:

Workplace violence is a lot more prevalent than you might think.
It's the place where egos are tested daily.
It's where being "wronged" by the boss or another coworker happens daily.
It's the place where your self worth is dashed anytime a good idea you think you have is dismissed as being stupid.
It's a place from where, if you are fired, you can perceive that your entire life has been taken from you, and worse, your dignity and self respect.

All of these things above are the kinds of things that almost everyone can deal with easily in their lives. We take them as "just part of the job" and get on with it.
But then there are those who can't handle those things well. There are a lot of people who think that they are victims of life and therefore they can never be appreciated enough. The never take responsibility for their failures, and instead, constantly blame others for their problems (you have probably met some of these people). These are the kind of people who believe that "getting even" is sometimes more important than life itself.

When I was much younger, an employee started bringing a gun to work and kept it in his locker (this was long before CCW was legal). I didn't know that he was doing that.
There's a long story here that I won't get into about how he was discovered, but it turns out that the guy intended to kill me "soon". This guy was a nutcase that I missed figuring out during the job interview before I hired him. That was my mistake.

So for you guys who want to carry to work, it's not just having a CCW permit (which is a step in the right direction as far as getting the boss to allow you to carry), but be prepared to be fired at a moments notice if you EVER have an argument with the boss or a coworker, or if you show tendencies that you may be one of those unstable people who see yourself as a victim or behave in ways that suggest that you "could" be unstable in ANY way (for example, being a "rager").

As an employer, I'm responsible for the safety of my people, and the liability that I would be exposed to if an employee hurt a coworker with a gun that I KNEW he was carrying is a HUGE liability.
At the same time, I have virtually no liability if a robber entered the business illegally and hurt someone. Of course, that's strictly from a liability standpoint.

The best I can leave you all with is that I have my Commander with me at work every day. Although I don't carry it on me, it is always nearby and NONE of my employees know that I have it.
Yet, I prefer to not have my employees be armed during work hours nor to have a weapon on the job site.

Flame if you like, but I own the company. :eek:

So as you lament about the "problem" with not being able to carry at work, just be aware that your employer has enough problems to deal with on a daily basis and keeping track of who is and who isn't carrying a weapon is one more little detail that he MIGHT not want to have to worry about.
Statistically speaking, the chance of an intruder coming in to your place of business and hurting your employees is miniscule compared to the chance of employees hurting each other in the work place.
Now if you work at a pawn shop or a gun shop or are a realtor (especially a woman), and I owned the company, I can assure you that I would almost DEMAND that you carry a weapon. But that's another issue.

Carter
 
While not a business owner, I am in management and I understand what CDH's concerns are.

Having a firearm close by makes it easier for a disgruntled employee to "go postal".

Having a firearm further away, gives that disgruntled employee time to cool down and think.

That being said, however, most of those who died or were injured by someone who previously went "postal" in the workplace, were unarmed and unable to defend themselves.

CDH indicates his understanding of that fact by the mere presence of his Commander.
 
Here's the obvious question(s):

Are you really worried that the company is going to search your car? Have they ever done it before? Are you going to give them a reason to search your car? Are you going to talk boisterously about carrying guns, your God-given 2nd Amendment "rahtz", or the fact that you've got one out in the car in case "some SOB" comes looking for trouble?

Be discreet. Conceal the thing! Hide it, and shut up about it! If you truly do this, then there's no harm and no foul. Noone will know about it!
 
Mokumbear said:
Like many workplaces, my office does not allow guns on the company's property.
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Many locations have a "Bring Your Daughter To Work Day" or a "Bring Your Son To Work Day" each year... why don't you organize a "Bring Your Handgun To Work Day"? Hand out NRA stickers and ballooons? :D
 
CDH said:

As an employer, I'm responsible for the safety of my people, and the liability that I would be exposed to if an employee hurt a coworker with a gun that I KNEW he was carrying is a HUGE liability.
At the same time, I have virtually no liability if a robber entered the business illegally and hurt someone. Of course, that's strictly from a liability standpoint.

The best I can leave you all with is that I have my Commander with me at work every day. Although I don't carry it on me, it is always nearby and NONE of my employees know that I have it.
Yet, I prefer to not have my employees be armed during work hours nor to have a weapon on the job site.
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To paraphrase. "My money is worth more than your life and I am the only one who should be able to defend himself." That is pure garbage.

You make a decision to follow the rule or break it. If you break it be preparred to be fired but do not follow a stupid rule out of some misguided loyalty or morality you feel due to a hipocritical employer who puts his own $$$ far ahead of you life. This is especially true of one who figures that despite the checks you went through for that CCW your mental state is far more subject to diverting over to homicidal maniac than his own. Mind you, CDH has that gun to protect himself from his OWN employees, who should at the same time fned for themselves if something hits the fan. Of course the rampage killers out there obey property rights...

Ignore your employer but do not put your weapon where it can be found in a car or locker or anywhere else. Practice DEEP CONCEALMENT, meaning tuckables, Smartcarry and bellybands. Finally, if you here shots break out at the end of the hall where managment resides remember, they can care for themselves. After all, CDH has his gun...
 
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