My home was broken into last night. Did I do the right thing?

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what pool cues costs 7500

Custom ones!

I watched a guy doing some of the work on a custom, $3500 cue that my brother had built. As many times as I've tried to prove his folly by beating him with a house cue, I've simply been unlucky so far.:D

As with many things, you can spend whatever you want.
 
Benny,

I wouldn't say chasing them is stupid, but I wouldn't call it the best idea ever. It's night, you have no idea whether they are armed or not or whether there are more outside of your home waiting for you. Just not a good idea to risk your life over pool cues.
 
You did right

Too bad your dog isn't a Shutzen trained German Shepherd. They wouldn't have gotten away!:D Nothing like watching a big German Shepherd take a guy down on the run.
 
Creature, please do tell, what in the hell is stupid about it? Watching theives run off with your stuff is stupid. If I watch some m-fer run off with 7,500 worth of my stuff they better hope they are world athletes because I will run all over their ass, or die trying., end of story.

I am a keyboard commando. I wasn't a fast runner at 18. At 47, I'm a lot slower and have less endurance. I'm no boxer or martial arts expert either. No, there's no way I would try to run down two perps to get my stuff back. I'd have a hard time fighting one, let alone two. And if they got the better of me, then they'd have my gun as well. They also might be armed.

$7500 would be hard pill to swallow. But my life is worth a lot more than that to me.

So yes, running after them would be stupid IMHO.
 
M1911, I assumed we were talking about being armed as well. If I wasn't armed of course I would not pursue two thieves. In regards to multiple threats thats why I have a Bushmaster M4 with a 30rd mag by my bedside for my home defense weapon. How are they going to get the better of you if you're armed? I would have a hard time watching two thieves steal my things and do nothing about it, but maybe it's just me.
 
While I enjoy this board immensely I am sorry to say I just tripped on my jaw!
Blah blah blah you did the right thing... As said earlier I woulda hopped in my ol' red 4X4 with a full tube of 20 gauge... I woulda passed them hot footed runners and slid sideways to a stop and hopped out and said "hey F'HEAD DROP THE CHIT OR DIE!"
Whaaaa... some some bich is in dire straits so the F what! When I was 18 I was eating bisquick mixed with water cooked in a skillet over a propane camp stove... no sugar, milk or egg! But I didn't go breaking into homes to sustain life and if I did I would have stolen steaks from the freezer not some dern ol' pool cue! Ever try to boil a pool cue? Screw that! If you think you are stealing the mud off my tires you are sadly mistaken! I worked hard to buy the gas that allowed me to muddy them up and I will hold you at gun point on yer face in the fire ants with your hands behind yer head and legs crossed raised at the knee and if you so much as move you are making an attempt to disobey! As I have said before... 5 gallons of gas is noticed in our budget! I don't have any type of "anti-theft" insurance so I tend to do my best to keep a tight grasp on "MINE"... go buy yer own like I did!
Brent
 
hogdogs, finally someone that see's things the way I do..:), There's only one thing I hate more than someone who harms children and that's a damn thief. Vandalism pisses me off just about as bad. There should be stiffer consequences against thieves, imo. I am by no means perfect but I can honestly say that I've never stolen anything. There's just something about taking something that doesn't belong to you that makes me very angry.
 
spine through their belly" (jeez if that isn't KC I don't know what is) is going to get you nothing but grief, lawsuits, lawyer fees, and depending on the state, jail time.

I've already had this discussion with local law enforcement after some low lifes broke into a building I had stuff stored in. If they're on my property or even property that I have a legal right to use and they break in or even try to break in or cause any other damage I'm justified in using deadly force. Call me what you will, I don't give a dead rats behind. Somebody wants to take something of mine and I'm around he's goin down for the count. If you think that makes me a cold hearted sumbitch I could've already told you that. I'd have no more feeling about it than killing a mosquito.
 
Had I not been raised po as all hell and honest I might have a different attitude! My pop would clench up his jaw everytime he "took food out of our mouth to buy a padlock" stating it is not his job to prevent theft... it was everyone else's job to keep their meat hooks off our hard earned stuff! I have a "half brother" that is a POS punk ass criminal glob of unused ballistic gel... To him everything not in the grasp of someone is "abandoned"... your gas grill your kid's bike, your mower or car he don't care... I told him if his shadow every blocked the sunshine on my windows he would be nothing but dog food and I meant/mean it!
By gawd if I want something I am going to take it... after I save up long and hard and purchase it fair and square! $7,500 is not too far off from half of what my family earned in 07. I been super hungry but lost little weight as I could get enuff game with my tightly limited "meat money" ie:shotshells to at least eat. Muscovy ducks taste like crap unless you are real hungry! Sorry to hijack but not everyone can take that punch to the gut without fighting back or doubling over...
Brent
 
I would have a hard time living with myself if I had shot a dirtbag in the back while he was running away. And, If you had busted one over their heads, you may have holed the front window of one of your neighbor's homes or possibly hit an innocent person. As hard as the loss of your valued pool cues is to deal with, you no doubt made the correct choice.

Michael
 
Creature, I don't care if it's 7,500 dollars or 75 dollars. If someone breaks into my home and takes anything I'm going to do everything in my power to stop them. As stated by some other posts, some people work hard for what they have and will be damned if a couple of thugs are gonna come in and take it.
 
Seven "large"ain't worth my life! Neither is half a mil. so I won't go stealin' $7,000 worth of pool cues nor a wore out yacht! But is theirs worth it to me? If'n you come here to steal I done said it... don't even try to steal the mud off my tires! It ain't worth yer life! I also said I would side slide my truck to a stop... I would hate shoot a punk in the back... now I am in front! KMA 10-4 drop the goods is as good as it gets.
Had it happened here on my yard i don't know if it would be better to call the law or feed my dogs acting like nuttin' happened! If a guy can look a deer in the eye and drop it dead having never stolen from him it is a "no brainer" to me... Nightmares are what you get when the thief is still at large!
Brent
 
In the end, that is what insurnace is for.

This line is B/S in my book.
First of all I would have shot, the useless dog.
Second I wouldn't of cared if it was $75 I'm going after them, whatever it takes. Don't know how most of you can look in the mirror at yourself. Call me a rambo or boo whatever, I'd like to think of it as a man with pride.

kenny b
 
Or an inmate with pride.

You did the right thing. I can't swear that I wouldn't have yelled drop the $h!t or your dead, even maybe cranked off a couple of rounds into the dirt just to see if they would drop the loot. Hey, aren't pool cues weapons? oh never mind.

Congrats on keeping a cool head. Sorry for the loss.
 
Self defense law in PA allows for: "A private citizen is justified in using the same amount of force as if he were directed to prevent the crime by a peace officer, except that lethal force may not be used unless the defendant reasonably believes that it is necessary to prevent death or serious bodily injury to himself or another. At the direction of a peace officer, a private citizen need not retreat from making a lawful arrest, and may use any force he believes necessary to defend himself or another from bodily harm while making the arrest."

ALSO...

U.S. courts are split with respect to an additional factor in the lawfulness of the use of deadly force in self-defense. A minority of jurisdictions require a victim to retreat to the wall if it is safe to do so, before using deadly force. ‘Retreat to the wall’ is generally construed to mean taking any reasonable and apparent avenue of exit. However, even minority jurisdictions do not require retreat under three circumstances. There is no duty to retreat from one’s own home, if one is being or has been robbed or raped, or if the victim is a police-officer making a lawful arrest. In 1996 the Pennsylvania Superior Court held that "although a person is afforded discretion in determining necessity, level and manner of force to defend one’s self, the right to use force in self defense is a qualified, not an absolute right." Pennsylvania is a retreat jurisdiction.

If I'm reading that right... you did right. Shooting them would have put YOU in jail, since they were no longer a threat to yourself or your family when they ran away.

All of this comes from Peter Hobart. The full article is at: http://www.ittendojo.org/articles/general-4.htm

Please read his disclaimer at the end of his post. As always there's "wiggle" room in the law, and you never know what the judge or jury will do.
 
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We do not have to attempt retreat!invade and you die!
you woulda been better off with my cuban wife chasing down the cookbooks full of family secrets... you woulda been beet death with recognition unlikely... At least i will put a humane kill on you and properly butche you out on dog size portions... I got plenty to feed 3 300 pound thugs in one feeding...
Brent
 
We do not have to attempt retreat!invade and you die!
you woulda been better off with my cuban wife chasing down the cookbooks full of family secrets... you woulda been beet death with recognition unlikely... At least i will put a humane kill on you and properly butche you out on dog size portions... I got plenty to feed 3 300 pound thugs in one feeding...
Brent


WHAT?
 
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