My first hog (GA)

Keg, I take it that you didn't know that prior to the 1800s, domestic hogs introduced into the US came from Europe and the hog ancestrous to the domestic hog in Europe was the European Wild Boar or "Russian" boar.

So your "Russian" boar has the same DNA as the domestic counterpart. The phenotypic expression of traits to which you refer are traits typical successive generations of non-captive hogs adapting to the environment. If you don't understand the process, look up Peppered Moth.

So your "Russian influence" hogs are not distinguishable from domestic hogs that have had successive generations outside of captivity in the wild.

Example of pig with Eurasian(Russian influence)......U don't see a difference???
Also...the tooth that shows it is a hybrid........
Hog school is over..........hahaaaaa
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Perfect. I am afraid you copied off the wrong person's exam. The tooth you claim that shows the hog to be a hybrid is the fabled and bogus Euro tooth that is claimed to be diagnostic of a domestic/"Russian" hybrid. The person that came up with this as being indicative of a hybrid definitely did not know about hog dentition. Here is the description. Pan down to"How Old is That Pig?" ....
http://www.hunting-in-texas.com/learnhogs.htm
and see here...
http://www.texasboars.com/articles/aging.html

I have seen this before and I have to laugh. That is a vestigial LPM1 (lower first premolar, adult tooth)!!!! In no way does it have anything to do with being domesticated or wild.

I have yet to see anything in my veterinary or osteology texts that support that crossing domestic or feral hogs and Russian boars produces this vestigial tooth, especially when it is a tooth that shows up in both domestic and "Russian" hogs!!!!!!

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...,s:0http://www.skullsite.co.uk/Pig/pigdom.htm

In fact, that Euro tooth that is supposedly diagnostic of the hybrid shows up as part of the typical dental formula for hogs which is

3 1 4 3
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3 1 4 3

This formula is the same for domestic or your "Russian" hogs.
http://www.skullsite.co.uk/Pig/wboar.htm
http://www.jstor.org/pss/3798365
http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/htm/bc/digzz06.htm

Why is it a vestigial? It is something of a remnant tooth. Many other artiodactyls have all but totally lost the tooth, but it still shows up in regularly in Suidae (pig family). Rarely, you will find a white-tailed deer with one or two vestigial LPM1s as something of a throwback.

Do the vestigial LPM1s always show up in domestic pigs? Nope. They are vestigial. Sometimes they are not there or when they are there they are smaller than their other PM counterparts, less well formed. They are a tooth being evolutionarily lost.

I really have to wonder how it is that folks come up with this stuff and pass it off as being some sort of diagnostic fact. When they do, however, it shows a deficiency in understanding of the topic.

Go look up pictures of domestic pigs on the internet and teeth like I showed you above and you will see that non-feral domestic pigs have this tooth with remarkable regularity.
 
I really have to wonder how it is that folks come up with this stuff and pass it off as being some sort of diagnostic fact. When they do, however, it shows a deficiency in understanding of the topic.

Double 00.........I'm glad YOU understand YOUR facts...........Otherwise you'd be

NAUGHT...........:D

As far as the peppered moth......I see no correlation........
I do not believe in evolution.......
 
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Thats one fine beastie.Just the right size for good eating.

A .223 Bushmaster is fine for plugging the small to medium eatin sized porkers,however;as some of the other guys pointed out these things get really big and can be hard to put down, so for this reason they qualify as dangerous game as far as I am concerned.

Last year I hunted wild hogs near Huntsville Alabama with my Uncle who lives there.I used a DPMS .308 and my Uncle used a Marlin lever gun firing 45/70 handloads in case we came across a really big one. Both rifles did the job.

If you hand load the 45/70 to its full potential they really thump these critters hard.The .308 although it lacks the pure stopping power of a .405 grain bullet traveling 2000 fps dispatched these critters in to the after life right where the stood.

In my opinion the .223 is a little small for plugging giant porkers but for beasties up to 150 it obviously works great.I am a big bore advocate and believe you can not kill somthing to dead if it can eat you and a 250 + pound porker can especially if it is wounded and crazed from anger and adrinaline.
 
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Sorry guys, didn't mean to stir up a pot of mess....

I was just commenting on the pigs differences in appearance due to the fact that the wild ones have adapted to being wild a few generations... I have always figured that they were the same species....

I am sure if you captured a few wild piglets and within a few generations the appearance would be reversed
 
Awwww...Rickyrick...U did'nt start anything...........It does'nt take long for them to change........and thy multiply very quickly...........

I have seen wild pigs that still have floppy ears..but their hair is longer..snouts longer..tails curl............

Then those with Eurasian influence..have shorter ears that don't hang over...and their tails are strait...........

A domestic pig won't look just like a Eurasian boar in just a few generations.......

Different subspecies can usually be distinguished by the relative lengths and shapes of their lacrimal bones. S. scrofa cristatus and S. scrofa vittatus have shorter lacrimal bones than European subspecies.[25] Spanish and French boar specimens have 36 chromosomes, as opposed to wild boar in the rest of Europe which possess 38, the same number as domestic pigs. Boars with 36 chromosomes have successfully mated with animals possessing 38, resulting in fertile offspring with 37 chromosomes.[26]

Four subspecies groups are generally recognized:[27]

Copied from wikipedia......
 
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killed this guy last valentines day hunting at night! he weighed right at 200 which was odd for the size teeth he had. still a good hunt!
 

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Very cool. I'm hunt on a lease south of Macon. We I've seen some huge hogs. We have a local trap and we shoot them on site and can't seem to make a dent.

I got my first pig this year too. I had three and went with a bucket pig, 80#'s or so. Meat was beautiful. Can't want to get the smoker going. The big pigs get donated to the locals. Last year we had a huge boar shot. You could smell him 20 yards away. He stunk - not gut shot. I couldn't believe the locals took him. We were lectured that, "as soon as ya kill 'em, you gotta cut his n$ts off".
 
We got a big ditch for those big Bo's. Those things are rank no matter what you do to them. Heck, the buzzards usually wait a week or so at least before they'll even start to work on them. There's a big SOB running around the club that is seen at dark every so often and he's bigger than that 400-450 that I killed during deer season.

We can hunt them at night here in SC but there's restrictions on gun and caliber and the types of lights you can use but there's no way in hell I'm going into a thicket with a .22 with something that big.
 
There is no season on them here in Arkansas.
They can be killed day or night any kind of gun and you dont have to have a hunting license!
 
I was hunting on a preserve in Dublin. I know, I know...with as many hogs as there are why on earth would I pay? Well, as I originally posted, I wanted to make sure that I actually got a chance to shoot at something for my first kill. As I get more experienced and start making new contacts, I'll eventually get on public or private land and hunt them fair chase. What with not being a native to the area and not knowing too many people with family land, it's actually quite difficult to get out to hunt. But I am working on it and have already started talking about a trip to fl to hunt on a friend's friend's land.
 
My first Hog Hunt is coming up, need advice.

We- two old farts and my 13 year old grandson, will be doing a 3 day & 2 night hunt at a Texas "You-Pay" ranch. I have checked the references furnished by the place and it seems to provide a good experience for us folks not having prior PIG hunts.

My other Grandpa will have a Marlin lever-action in 44 mag. Grandson will have a slug-loaded 20 ga pump, and at this time I am planning to use my Saiga 12 ga with slugs. ( I may switch to a Mod.1903 in 30-06, if one of my sons returns it to me before the hunt.)

The night hunts are from elevated blinds overlooking lit-feeders. The day hunts can be either Blinds, or spot and stalk. I am pretty mobility limited so I will probably opt for the blind sitting, but the kid and his other grandpa are itching to run around chasing Hogs !!

Question 1. Brand of slugs to use? I have jug-busted with Winchester, Remington and Federal and don't see (or feel) much difference in them. How about the 20 ga for the kid? Buckshot is not allowed on this ranch.

Question 2- Best bullet size for the 44 mag?

Question 3- If I do get my rifle back, What 30-06 load would be the best for Hogs? Also in terms of all the ammo questions here, budget limitations are part of the selection process. We won't always go dirt-cheap, but if the performance is close, we will !

Main reason for these choices is based on the rules here in Indiana. I can't use my 30-06 for anything in this state. Deer must be taken by large pistol caliber guns or slug shotguns. Minimum caliber is .35 and some limits even bump that a bit. No 30 Carbine, or rifle length 30 Cal guns allowed. You can use a 357 but not a 38 Special..and on and on and on. AR's and AK's are out.

A deer hunt for me at home means to sit out on the back deck overlooking my 50 fruit trees and wait for 'Bambi' to come in in the morning or the evening during gun season. I don't give a damn about antler size, we shoot them for the meat and because they are kinda like the Hogs when it comes to fruit orchards! They do a lot of damage. If we can get an extra Doe permit we do, and use it each year.

Back to my questions-

Question 4- They will skin and quarter the hogs we get and chill them , then we haul them home in coolers. Any particular info about transporting fresh Hog meat? Yeah we'll keep the ice on them...but is there anything we need to know before the 2.5 day ride home. We have a processor here willing to do the final cutting and wrapping for cheap. IF we get him the Hogs in a reasonable condition.

Anyone with experience at this type of hunting Ranch...I would be very interested in hearing your experiences. Please post or email , I need all the info I can get for this trip.
Thanks
Mayor AL (retired)
 
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This is me with a 250 pounder my son took at 300 yards with a Model 70 in .300 Winmag. I took one about 150 pounds. We hunted with a guide out of King City, Ca., about 50 miles South of Monterey...
 
Cuttin' the nuts off a dead hog does absolutely nothing!

But one of you gun hunters might just get lucky enuff to shoot one a year or 2 after one of us that uses dogs gets done with one. It is common to "barr" (barrow) a young boar and turn it loose with the hopes of recapturing it later. It will have a bit of fat and no chance of a testosterone flavor issue.

Brent
 
223 is fine for pigs. I used to doubt it but now its my first choice.


Thanks to help from TFL members, I have gotten very successful as a hog'gunner' but its not a weekend project and requires lots of scouting and follow up. Late hours even on workdays to be one step ahead of the pigs, because, if the pigs ain't where you is... you can't shoot them.

I still trap but that doesn't get the numbers that a more active approach does,such as guns and dogs, with dogs being the most effective .....and I'm too chicken for dog hunting
 
I sure would like to cook one of them smaller ones. My in laws have a winter place close to Harlengin? anyone do hog hunts in that area say around Christmas time? :) I could come down the week between Christmas and New Years...
 
Mark

That is our motivation also !! We timed our Texas Trip (Hunt) to be back in time (Mid-June) to prep the meat and soak or brine or whatever we have to do to get it ready for the BBQ Pit/Smoker and our big family party on the 4th of July. If our hunt is not successful, we'll probably spend a fortune at COSTCO buying Pork !!!

Anyone care to comment on my request for slug and bullet choices from my inquiry above?
 
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