My dreamgun finally comes home!

joegerardi

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WOOHOOOO!!!!

Guess what came home with me Monday!!!!!
IGOTITIGOTITIGOTITIGOTITIGOTITIGOTITIGOTITIGOTITIGOTITIGOTITIGOTITIGOTITIGOTITIGOTITIGOTITIGOTIT.

I finally got my Bren Ten.

I spent the evening lovingly cleaning and polishing every nook and cranny of my new baby. I must've taken it down 30 times. I discovereved that I have 2 original UNUSED mags.

Now. Does anyone know what model of Miami Classic fits this puppy? Someone suggested that I try the one that fits Beretta model 92s, but they don't work. I tried them yesterday at the gunshop. Can't wait to get to the range this Saturday and try it!

BTW: Before the weekend, someone please tell me what light FBI loads are, and what are good defense and range rounds for this gem.

As you can all tell, I have a semi-permanent woody.
 
Good luck with your new purchase and
Happy Shooting :)

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The great body of our citizens shoot less as time goes on. We should encourage rifle practice among schoolboys, and indeed among all classes, as well as in the military services by every means in our power. Thus, and not otherwise, may we be able to assist in preserving peace in the world... The first step- in the direction of preparation to avert war if possible, and to be fit for war if it should come- is to teach men to shoot!
Theodore Roosevelt, President
 
Congratulations Joe. I know how long you've been waiting on your Bren Ten. You've got my hopes up, maybe someday I too can obtain my dream pistol, a NIB HK P7M8.

For leather, wouldn't it be possible to get a custom made Alessi or Mark THG rig?

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So many pistols, so little money.
 
Try the holster for the large-framed EAA Witness (.45/10). If you're going for that Sonny Crockett look, I think that the reintroduced Jackass rig looks more like the one that Don Johnson wore, than the current Miami Classic does - the rear strap attaches to the tail of the Jackass, rather than the top like the MC.
I've just started shooting my "new" Delta Elite, and I've been loading 170 and 180 grain bullets over 11 grains of AA7. These are not quite full power loads; my gun shoots to point of aim with them. The 180 over 10-11 grains would make a great practice round. Winchester Silvertips would be a good defense round. Check out the "10mm Information Pages" and "The 10mm Firearms Page" (don't have the url's); they have lots of info including load data.
 
Jeff:
You bet. I can't wait for those to be available.

Tecolote:
Mark hasn't got the die (or whatever it is they use to form the holster) so he can't make it. I checked. Lou might, especially because Tony Kanaley at Milt Sparks is willing to send him a de-wats (whatever that is) but that's all time-consuming and I don't want to wait to start CCW'ing with it.

I'll get the Alessi: Everyone should own one of Lou's holsters (me especially, I used to live 3 miles from his shop and never stopped in) but

{baby whine=ON}
I wanna use it NOW!!!!!!
{baby whine=OFF}

Impatient, huh????

So what about these FBI light loads? What's a good brand for both range and defense???

[This message has been edited by joegerardi (edited March 01, 2000).]
 
Rick:
Thanks for the info. I don't reload, so I gotta get factory. I will remember Win Silvertips, and I also want to use Triton Quik-Shoks, but I don't know if the 10mm are high pressure. I want to use Triton, because he's bringing back the Bren sometime next year, and that gets my loyalty.
 
Oops! Double tap. This new system is certainly slower.

[This message has been edited by joegerardi (edited March 01, 2000).]
 
OK, here we go:
The Bren Ten was the first 10mm combat auto pistol designed to specifications set by Jeff Cooper. It was based on a CZ-75 frame and a SIG P-210 slide with an Obermeyer "Power Seal barrel. It was built with a stainless frame and a black slide in the Standard Model with alot of custom work as standard, like beveled mag wells, polished feed ramps, trigger jobs, reversible safeties, and a firing pin block safety, and there were 4 variants: The Special Forces model was shorter and was SS or black; the Police Model was full-sized and all black; The Pocket Model was a little smaller that the Special Forces model, SS, and is the most collectible as there are (I believe) only 2 copies of this pistol in existence; There was also a .45 variant.

The 10mm version carried 11 cartridges of 10mm Norma. It was in production for 4 years (83-86) and had an original MSR price of $750.00. Due to some questionable powder used by Norma, the ballistics and accuracy for the pistol were questionable at best, giving the pistol its (unwarranted) reputation for unreliability.

The pistol was manufactured by Dornaus and Dixon, Inc., who gambled too heavily that the military would select it as their new service pistol. When this didn't happen, capital-weak production delays and supplier problems started to surface. The pistol was shipped (in many cases) without mags, making it a very ineffective boat anchor. In 86 D&D packed it up.

The pistol received some notoriety because it was the sidearm of Sonny Crockett (Don Johnson) during the first 2 seasons of "Miami Vice," who carried a Ten with a refinished slide in hard chrome. Because of the mag shortage, there were people on the set tasked to follow Johnson and make sure they got the discarded mags to keep Bren Ten owners from stealing them.

In the (I think) late 80's or early 90's Richard (?) Voit, the former owner of Voit Sporting Goods tried to resurrect the Bren Ten, with some slight design modifications, and a new name: The Peregrine Falcon. Again plagued by production problems, and (this part might be heresay) a possible lawsuit from Ruger, mainly because the logos of the 2 companies were similar, it never saw the light of day, and no production pistols were ever made.

Today, the pistol is something of a collectible, NIB models commanding in the $1200.00 to $1700.00 range. Parts are available for the pistol, and a company in Florida - ESF Sales - has become the main Bren resource in the Country.

It was a sharp looking pistol (IMNSHO) and if you want to see what they look like, click this link:
http://marina.fortunecity.com/harbour/347/10mm08.html

And look for all the pictures of Brens. There is also a rare pic of the Peregrine Falcon here:
http://marina.fortunecity.com/harbour/347/10h/bren10/peregrine.jpg

The best news is that the owner of Triton Cartridge, Fernando Coehlo, is a Bren afficionado too. He is working on resurrecting the pistol. According to everything I've read here on TFL, the pistol should be available spring/summer 2001, and make its debut at the next SHOT show. Fernando owns a .45 variant, and shoots it. he has acquired the tooling and equipment, and the puppies should have an MSRP of $900.00. I believe it will be available in .40, 10mm, and .45. You can see his on the main page for Triton Ammo at:

http://www.triton-ammo.com/

That's his in the center picture.

I think that pretty much covers it. Did I miss anything, guys?


[This message has been edited by joegerardi (edited March 01, 2000).]
 
A Bren Ten is the pistol that Sonny Crockett, a character played by Don Johnson on the old Miami Vice Tv series, carried on the first season. It was a design based on the 9mm CZ-75 that Jeff Cooper colaborated on back in the early 1980's. They production was plagued by magazine problems although it was a good pistol, and the first pistol available chambered in 10mm. The original ammo was from Norma and drove a 180 or 200 gr bullet at over 1500 fps. The 10mm has been downloaded since then. The Bren Ten used a special barrel design with a long freebore to allow the pressure to subside before the slug incountered the rifling. Shooting the original ammo in another brand pistol can cause it to KB. I think there were about 1500 Bren Ten's produced, some were even made in .45 ACP (the Marksman Special) others were made with shorter barrels and slides, some all stainless others all black (Special Forces Light and Special Forces Dark), the standard came with a stainless frame and black slide. They finally resorted to shipping guns without magazines and that eventually doomed the company. The owner of Triton ammunition company has acquired all the original tooling, patents, and intellectual property relating to the original pistol and will hopefully offer a new production Bren Ten by summer 2001. I am looking for it to be introduced at SHOT in January 2001. HEAR THAT FERNANDO!!!

I do not have any of my library with me here in Indianapolis so this may not be accurate. The FBI load was a 180 gr at 1100 FPS, down from 1500-1600. This led to the .40 S&W, which is NOT a 10mm in a shortened case. A short 10mm is call the Centimeter and uses the thicker web and magnum primers of the 10mm case.
 
YOU CHEATED!! I'ts not fair!!!!! I am to say the least absolutely green w/env.Wanna trade??? HEHE Glad you got It. SC <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by joegerardi:
WOOHOOOO!!!!

Guess what came home with me Monday!!!!!
IGOTITIGOTITIGOTITIGOTITIGOTITIGOTITIGOTITIGOTITIGOTITIGOTITIGOTITIGOTITIGOTITIGOTITIGOTITIGOTIT.

I finally got my Bren Ten.

I spent the evening lovingly cleaning and polishing every nook and cranny of my new baby. I must've taken it down 30 times. I discovereved that I have 2 original UNUSED mags.

Now. Does anyone know what model of Miami Classic fits this puppy? Someone suggested that I try the one that fits Beretta model 92s, but they don't work. I tried them yesterday at the gunshop. Can't wait to get to the range this Saturday and try it!

BTW: Before the weekend, someone please tell me what light FBI loads are, and what are good defense and range rounds for this gem.

As you can all tell, I have a semi-permanent woody.
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Here you go JoeG. on your ammunition choice.
http://www.firearmstactical.com/ammo_data/10mm.htm

Marshall & Sanow's Street Effectiveness Figures for the 10mm Medium Velocity
Manufact. Brand Type Grains fps fpe Shootng Success
Winchester N/A JHP 180 1055 445 44 82%
Federal N/A JHP 180 980 384 27 81%
Remington N/A JHP 180 1055 445 31 81%
Winchester BTalon JHP 200 990 436 87%
Federal Hydra-Shok JHP 180 1030 424 87%
Eldorado Starfire JHP 180 950 361 84%

High velocity
Cor-Bon N/A JHP 150 1300 563 10 90%
Glaser Blue JPF 105 1650 635 92%
Winchester Slvrtp JHP 175 1290 647 92%
Master N/A JHP 150 1334 593 91%
Triton N/A JHP 135 1400 588 91%
Magsafe Defender JPF 96 1780 676 91%
Remington N/A JHP 170 1262 602 88%
Norma N/A FMJ 200 1181 620 69%
 
Congratulations Joe!!!!

Glad you finally got your Bren Ten.
I'll be in the market for the new Bren Ten, hopefully in a year or so.
 
The Bren 10 was also offered as -
a) the 'Dual Master', with interchangable 10mm and .45ACP barrels and slides.
b) the 'Initial Issue Commemorative', decorated in gold, in a fitted presentation case.
 
Citizen X:
Yeah, I knew about them, but I didn't list them because they were so rare. The Dual Master had an even hundred serial (100, 200, etc.) and the Cooper was intended to only have a production run of 100.
 
goe, you assumed right. I want at least 1 of the new Bren Ten's - maybe 2... a 10mm and 45 sounds good to me! :D
 
BK:
I just looked at your profile and realized who you were. I haven't seen you over on GT in ages! What's doing? You not posting at GT any more?
 
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