My carry gun broke today

I think on any given Sunday anything with so many small mechanical parts can fail and we should be fortunate if it doesn't happen in the time of need. I'm not sure I'd give up on the 1911 platform based on this incident but I do favor the way it fits my hand and how well I shoot the platform. I also believe the same light trigger that shoots well can also be an issue in a high stress situation. Even Glocks have had accidental discharge under stress. I would look at it as a humbling event because even though we carry we are still vunerable. Just my $.02, I have nothing against other makes as well it just makes sense to stick with what works for you.
 
originally posted by Mark Milton
As Jeff Cooper pointed out before most of the trendoid types were born, the only two big failings in the 1911 other than skimpy sights are the plunger tube can work loose and needs to be staked on and that the firing pin stop needs to be press fitted as it can fall out and tie up a gun.
So that's what happened! I have a Colt Double Eagle in 10mm. Not technically a 1911, but they share many parts in common.

The first time I shot it, it jammed badly. After a considerable force was applied to the slide, a little metal square with a hole in it fell out. Investigation revealed this was something called a "firing pin stop." I eventually did fit an EGW firing pin stop and haven't had any problems since. I just didn't have any idea how it ended up between the slide and the frame.
 
Did you die from the breakage? I'm guessing not. The odds that a quality gun (that has seen considerable range time to confirm proper function) will BREAK "when" you need it is astronomical. When it does and you die due to the problem come see me. Until then, I'll still think BUGs are dead weight for civilians. Heck, most primary guns are dead weight but I do believe in better safe than sorry. BUGs are just being paranoid.
 
If you wanted to sit down and toss around the potential things that can happen with a car, truck or motorcycle that can result in it no longer working right ... while you're traveling at speed ... it can be sobering.

Fortunately, these sorts of things don't happen with well-made vehicles, properly maintained, often enough to make me lose that much sleep.

Ditto firearms.

Sure, anything mechanical can experience an unexpected failure of a part or an assembly, and sometimes at the most inopportune moment.

I don't stay awake at night thinking about it, though. I inspect my firearms used in the role of defensive weapons carefully and maintain them (including preventive maintenance) according to standards and recommendations promoted by manufacturers. (In my case this also means according to what I've learned while being an armorer, as well.)

The plunger tube issue can occur, although during all the years I've owned, used and maintained various 1911-style pistols I've only personally seen it occur twice, that I can recall.

Just based on my personal experience as a firearms owner & user, as well as a LE firearms instructor and armorer, I'd expect the significant amount of functioning issues which occur, day in & day out, to be caused by the shooter in some manner, followed by potential ammunition issues to a much lesser degree. Sometimes it can be the firearm, though.

Sometimes frequent examination and inspection can help catch some potential issues when they're still developing but haven't reached the point where they might cause functioning problems. For example, I've caught some weakening extractor springs and chipped extractors during inspections before they actually caused functioning issues on some service weapons. That's one of the reasons manufacturers who provide armorer training often recommend some reasonably periodic, such as annual, inspections of dedicated defensive service weapons.

Since you mention the 1911 design, though ...

Recently, I stopped by the range at my former agency and was doing some shooting and visiting. One of the younger guys came over with a major name brand 1911 pistol which was exhibiting some functioning problems when he was qualifying. When I looked at the gun I noticed the safety lock (thumb safety) had shifted outward a bit from the frame ... just enough for the plunger spring/plunger assembly to have fallen out of the plunger tube. The tube appeared firmly attached to the frame, but the safety itself would apparently shift from out of the proper position under recoil. Considering the make/model of the 1911 in question, and that it was an off-duty weapon and not an issued weapon, I suggested he contact the manufacturer and request a warranty repair. I made at least one other suggestion for something he might want to bring to the manufacturer's attention when he contacted them, as well.

Sometimes things happen ...

I own 5 1911 pistols at the moment, 4 Colts and a SW1911. I consider all of them reliable, well-made pistols and have reason to trust each and every one of them. Granted, a couple of them are older models and benefited from some refinement.

I had the left side of the ambi safety on my then-new Colt XSE Government break apart and fall to the ground when I depressed the safety on the firing line during my first range session. The exposed metal seemed to make it appear that there might have been a problem with the casting of the part. The file marks made it appear as though it had taken some effort to make it fit in the gun, too.

Colt told me that this didn't happen very often with that particular vendor supplied part, but the fellow with whom I spoke didn't sound like he was exactly shocked, either. I replaced the ambi set up with a single side safety (which is my preference, anyway) and haven't had a bobble out of the pistol since that day.

As far as secondary weapons? Well, there were some instances when I was working when I carried a secondary weapon, but it wasn't as a hedge against the mechanical failure of my issued weapon. I've even carried a spare J-frame on my own time a handful of times. Very rarely, though.

Now, if you want to talk about good quality fresh factory ammunition which has exhibited a problem (hard/inert primer, short-loaded regarding powder or an improperly trimmed case) which caused a failure to chamber, failure to cycle and load a fresh round or simply a failure to fire? Hey, that can happen, too ... also not often enough to keep me awake at night.

Just my thoughts.

Frankly, I worry more about one of the tires on my motorcycle blowing out.
 
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The odds that a quality gun (that has seen considerable range time to confirm proper function) will BREAK "when" you need it is astronomical.

Alright class as we have discussed since Day 1, Murphy's law disproves this statement.

Personally, put your ego aside and spend the money to make your primary damn near unbreakable (i.e. retrofit your internal components). Then do the same for you BUG. Then worry about the cool guy sh*t.
 
Well I agree with fastbolt-things breaking at speed is bad, but having a variety of things from car parts and appliance parts break or bad NIB that were well maintained or brand new, I'll stick to inspecting prior to use.

One of the things is, many of us never have the chance to learn what parts on any piece of equipment we own that will fail first. Computer warranty techs know on computers, mechanics on cars, and armorers too.

From all the years of building hotrodded cars, I know what parts on my cars will wear first or fail under too much stress. Lotsa tires wore out on me prematurely-oddly all were on the rear of the cars....and I could rebuild a Ford 9" rearend with my eyes closed back in the day.
And on a motorcycle! Geez they can fall down if you have a flat, road rash sucks!!!

I do a thing at work called "LD50" testing, I would rather be a little too careful and not have a problem rather than just not check and be surprised when something fails. Thats why I function check my carry weapon...I even check that it is loaded-even though I am the only one that ever touches it.

Murphy has hung around me before also.

The BUG is for instances that something goes wrong-like this- and I do not have any firearm on me for the drive home. I also carry antifreeze, water, spare fan belt and tire in my car and truck. I live in the desert, there are places with no cell coverage, no people, and a long HOT walk back to town, having a few basic tools and parts is a minor thing-but very useful and even life saving when needed. I have never used my spare tire in over 15 years but ain't going to leave it home even though it would help my gas mileage.

And as far as carrying the Glock, well I did for a long time, but the 1911 fits my hand better and I shoot it better. Slightly. I am willing to accept the loss of the extra rounds of the Glock for the accuracy of the 1911. And since the Glock is my "primary" BUG....the extra rounds are nearby.

Do I think I'll ever need both-nope, but it's there if I do.
Or heaven forbid-hand it to someone else.
 
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