Musings on "Gun-free" workplaces

Glenn, you are right that it is only the relative dollar amounts of legal exposure that are weighed by these companies.... BUT .... you have to remember that in assessing that risk, what is taken largely into account is the anticipated liklihood of what a JURY would do, given the current law (their instructions), and jurors ARE of course highly influenced by their own personal beliefs, which is in turn affected by the political climate, which is inextricably tied to the struggle for the RKBA, etc. So it still IS, as always, about the 2nd Am - indirectly at least. For example, suppose some maniacs go postal or rob the place or whatever. Suppose you, who are carrying in accord with company policy, manage to off two of them in self-defense and defense of others. Then in an attempt to shoot the third one, you accidentally hit an innocent bystander employee, one whom you could not see behind the perp, so you were not grossly negligent by any stretch. Now that person or their family sues you and the company for a negligent workplace rule. Around here, the jury would send them packing in a hurry, but in Yankeeland, PRK, or some other anti-gun climate, the jury is likely to find at least SOME negligence on the company's part, because of their FEELINGS that guns are bad and people really shouldn't be defending themselves with a gun anyway. You must remember that the law of negligence is based on society's (i.e. a jury's) ever-changing views of what is right, wrong, careless, etc. So the risk assessment by companies and their insurers are logical in the immediate sense, but based on the illogic of the public at large in an anti-gun climate.

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My current company - with a very famous name attached to most film in this country - has a "no weapons" policy just as one might expect. Yet...the CEO is armed, and word is most of top management is.
 
A company I used to work for had a no-weapons policy, and had guards (unarmed of course) at the doors. One guard strangled a little girl (anyone hear of Kali Ann Poulton?) and hid her body in the building's air conditioning coolant tank (for 3 years before he confessed). Needless to say, between him and the 300 tub-o-lard, I don't trust company security guards.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Blueyedog:
I decided a long time ago that if something ever happens where my husband is hurt or killed because he was denied the right, by his employer, to defend himself, then they will get the biggest honkin' lawsuit brought against them they have ever seen. I'll make so damn much noise the media will have to listen. :mad:
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It would be easier to simply ignore the rule and carry, or find a new job. It's not worth your husband's life.
 
Originally posted by Meiji_man:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>... But Companies are by nature immoral and mine most of all.[/quote]Edited for brevity. Italics mine.

... amoral ...?



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Eric, <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>It would be easier to simply ignore the rule and carry, or find a new job. It's not worth your husband's life.
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My husband has 32 years in and is 55 years old ... nobody will hire him at his age. Being a white male over the age of 45 is like having leprosy when it comes to finding employment. And about ignoring the rule - the job is very physical so when several others are around (like during the day) he doesn't feel like he can take the risk of it being spotted. But when he's on the night shift ... well ... you didn't hear it from me. ;)

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Refuse to be a "helpless" victim.
Knowing Your Rights WAGC in Indiana
 
The law says that an employer is STRICTLY liable for any and all actions committed by an employee while acting as an agent of the company. That's why they forbid weapons. It's a CYA thing so at least they can say they didn't condone the activity. Until that changes, insurance carriers won't let employers allow their employees to be armed. Here in Florida I can't get arrested for taking a gun to work but I can get fired. If the situation seems serious enough (a recent termination or whatever) then I evaluate the risk to life versus risk to bank account. I can always get another job.
 
Interestingly, Bill Gates has a team taught by some very serious and well known trainers.

Anyway, I once got yelled at a part time job for the Spyderco which someone spotted.

They missed the 642.

Later they fired me for eating an executive
Pepperidge Farm chocolate cookie which I had liberated from a tray for the big guys.

My blow for the workers!!
 
Opps my bad, Yes that line should read "Amoral" not immoral.

The bosses tend to be Immoral but that's a differnt rant.

"Power to the Workers!"


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"Big or Little, it's all the same to a .45
Which comment embraced the full philosophy of the Gunfighter"
R.E. Howard
 
My employer specifically asked me to come to work armed, and no I am not a police officer. I watch a gate at a prestigious (read rich folk) girls summer camp. From where I sit, I can see the golf greens which have been torn up repeatedly by night invasions of feral hogs. The owners have spent thousands repairing damage to fences, golf greens, gardens, and now they're madder than hell and not going to take it anymore. I also get to shoot all the feral cats I see! The job don't pay much, but I do it nights, and who could quit a job like that?
 
I was told last November that I wasn't allowed to carry at work. I must have missed that section in the manual. Nobody would have known except when an irate customer tried to force his way into my Finance Company after hours and I felt obliged to stuff my cocked Davis Derringer in his face. Cops said I did good. This customer is a local dirtbag. The boss made me sign a memo that I will never do it again. They said it could have gone off accidentally?!?
 
I work as a Police Officer. The agency I work for is currently undergoing the process of arming all officers.We have a little over 2700 personnel at 172 facilities and numerous satellite sites. We carry a PR 24 baton and OC.


The theory is that we deal with numerous drug, alcohol, and mental type problems in our facilities and because weapons are prohibited we don't nned weapons. Hell they tried to fire me for having an empty holster on while in civilian clothes, and my pistol behind 3 locks in my vehicle in a rented space in the company deck.

The anti gun in the workplace thing is a control thing. The bosses fear they will tick off a vet or a worker and get smoked.

If I feel the need to carry , and they are no metal detectors I carry, better to be tried by 6 than carried by 12.
 
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