Murphy's law is in full force or how much do you trust your gun?

I have a Sig P228 that I trust 100%. Different mags, different ammo, lots of shots & it just doesn't care.

Kimber Stainless Target: Good reliability, but not perfect. Depends on magazine/ammo combination. Doesn't seem to like Pro-Load 200gr (good accuracy but occasional hiccups), but Hornady 200gr XTP/+P and Winchester 230gr Supreme SXT has been perfect so far with WC 8- and 10-round magazines.

Glock 20c: Not sure yet, but only because it's brand new. I have some used hi-caps for it that were flaky, but should be good now that I've replaced the mag springs with +10% Wolff units. At this point I just need to run more rounds thorugh it to be 100% sure, but it's looking very good so far.

So I guess my feeling is that the only legitimate source of confidence in your gun is good maintenance and lots of shots fired.

C.B.
 
i think my point is that no gun is 100%. looking back at the responses from TFL'ers that are now at the place i was at, i.e. i trust "xyz" gun 100% i think now that we are/were living in a dream world.
i grew complacent due to the extreme high quaility of modern firearms. i was down to carrying one pistol or revolver and an extra mag or reload pouch, Gerber E-Z OUT knife and peppergas Kubaton my key chain.
however the fact is that ANY mechanical device can and eventually will fail. if it is on the firing line or looking across the sights at a BG!! the lesson i take away from this is to trust your carry gun, sure, but if you go to the trouble of carrying all this hardware you need to carry a backup gun as well. all the LEO's and long time gun guys i have conversed with in the last few days agree.


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[This message has been edited by riddleofsteel (edited August 26, 2000).]
 
I can't think of any malfunction in any handgun I've ever had that wasn't from ammo. I've had magazines' feed-lips require adjusting, but never in a carry-gun. I have a couple of carry-magazines for my 1911s that never get used in casual range work.

It's easy to strip a 1911 down, (or learn to do it on any other gun) and check a few key pieces for hairline cracks, with my 16X lens. Checking the feel and sound when doing a bit of dry-firing in a quiet place doesn't hurt, either.

It's just part of maintenance in the never-ending war against Mr. Murphy. I do this sort of thing on just about everything I own--guns, backhoe, truck, camp-gear...And Murphy is still ahead!

:), Art
 
i had never had one either until the other day.
i have been shooting handguns for over 37 years. i can not remember a mechanical failure of ANY handgun that had reached the "TRUSTED" stage in that time.
any "jams" or "failures to fire" could be attributed to bad ammo or poor/no/over lubrication ect.
it was a catastropic failure of the actual mechanical clockwork of a TRUSTED weapon that shook me up and i must say woke me up.
my hope is that if it ever happens again, and it may not(i don't think i will last another 37 years) that i will have another option a backup gun).
remember that springs and small metal parts can fail suddenly and without prior signs of stress.
 
I do have a weapon I trust 100%--a Folts Mantis. Of course, it's a FB knife. No moving parts, no magazine, no ammo, no jams, dirt and moisture have no effect. ;)

Eric, I shot that jam-a-matic Glock 29 too. To be fair, we should make it clear that it was far from a stock Glock using tested, reliable ammo. It had an aftermarket barrel that was fitted a tiny bit too tight, which kept it from going completely into battery. All six of the misfires it gave me showed light primer strikes from that condition. The owner also didn't seem to think much of the ammo.

Still, I'll take my Sig when it comes to firearms. I love that thing.
 
Well I like to have at least two handguns whenever possible.

And having spares to replace those if they break or malf on the range or dryfire.

One should also shoot and use ones carry ammo on a regular basis IMHO. In some of my guns the only ammo I shoot is carry ammo. In others I shoot reloads mainly, but always shoot up what was in the gun and the 2 or so reloads.
 
So let me get this straight, Rex, are you saying that we should carry less reliable guns so that we get practice clearing jams?

I love how someone can mention Glock and get everyone riled up, it is hilarious.

I do say that this is a revolver thing that I do not like. If my semi-auto has a failure, I can fix it very easily, but when a revolver fails, it is often serious.

My handgun is just a tool. I trust myself to perform, not the gun. If it fails, I will employ other tools.
People need to be careful not to see the gun as a totem that will save them. It is just a tool. Only YOU can save your own butt. My gun is just a tool and if my gun fails, I have many other ways to defend myself.

As for my primary tool, I like my Glock 19 and Glock 30. If those fail, my knife and over ten years of Kali training among other things will pick up the slack ;)
 
Negative jdthaddeus, I only carry pistols I have tested extensively for reliability (one of them happens to be a Glock 17). However, even with my carry pistols that have never malfunctioned, I practice clearing jams and misfires because you MUST be prepared for them, no matter how reliable you pistol is.

My dig was aimed more at those who buy the latest "Wondergun" and don't prepare for the inevitable jams, not just Glockers! ;)
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[This message has been edited by Rex Feral (edited August 26, 2000).]
 
True. Everyone should practice malfunction drills. I sure do, even though none of my Glocks has ever once malfunctioned. In combat, strange things can happen...

BTW - My comment after that about Glocks bringing heated responses was not aimed at you in any way, but a lot of responses that I see in many threads. I just find it funny how a person can bring up Glocks and instantly the attacks start and the thread wanders.
 
Out shooting with friends last month I had put 100 rnds through my Sig 220 with no problem. After playing with the shotgun for a while I decided to get the Sig back out of the car, nothin...trigger bar spring was broken. Ok this is not a problem. I'll just buy a new one. After calling all the local shops I started to feel slightly uncomfortable (the sig is my only handgun)they did not have this part and I would have to call Sig. The lady was very nice and sent the 2 dollar part for free, should see it in 3 days. 14 days later I receive a recoil spring. I call sig again. "sure we'll send another spring, but the warehouse has moved and it will be the first week of next month before we can ship this". Now I understand *hit happens, but if it werent for my shotgun at home I'd be feelin very naked and defenceless. I learned a very important lesson...work overtime buy another gun!!!
 
Trust my SIG-PRO Alot, although I just experienced my first FTF in it when using some cheap reloads from a gunshow. These are dirty rounds and I had probaly two FTF all the way into battery.

This does not bother me because the weapon is absolutely reliable with factory new ammo, and everything else I have tried except for this cheap bulk ammo. Will burn through this ammo and then get never buy it again.

I'm sorry but if your gun which has reliable fired 25,000 rounds without a malfunction, malfunctions in the middle of firefight, a statistically minute probability, then you have pissed off God and he wants you home. I do not worry overmuch about it unless the gun is unreliable (and a glock, sorry couldn't resist). I figure I have a better chance of winning the lottery. Then I will have a gun in a quick opening safe in every room of my mansion.
 
Riddle, NOTHING is exempt from Murphy's Law all of the time. In some 15 yrs of qualifying 50 people a minimum of 4 times a year, 80% with the same gun you own, I had one go down.
The thumb latch screw backed out and the resulting intrnal misalignment hung up the transfer bar. You will probably find out the transfer bar assy is mixed up somewhere in your gun. Speed Sixes are not that hard to field strip and you should be prepared to do it annually anyway. Ruger can put you in business in short order at low cost--and is probably your best resource on this anyway. Didn't notice if you said this gun was previously owned or not. I am always suspicious of someone else being in there prior and 'improving' the gun.

Any gun can break, and most break something sooner or later. With the better ones it is much, much later. Spare parts are nice and so are spare guns. I always have an extra around close to hand.



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Riddle, and all who believe Murphy's law couldn't work on something with no moving parts check out the top picture in this link:

http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum26/HTML/000777.html

I read the posts on Thursday, laughed my head off thinking of putting up the link to the 5 flanged mace in the picture that I'd coated the hickory shaft and inside the head of with epoxy, then slammed the top of the head into the concrete as hard as I could time after time to drive it in all the way, that I'd then pinned twice and driven a steel wedge into the wood to tighten it even more, and then epoxied over that... no way it could fail. Right?

Wrong. In spite of all my efforts, the shaft shrank over the summer. I picked it up and the head was about to fall off.
 
Well, never had a firearm fail on me, unless you count the SKS that kept kicking out the mags....Since I know what kind of luck I have I'd have to carry a minimum pf 4 handguns...three to throw at the goblin and one for a club.

Since I'm a po' person I have one...a Makarov. I also carry a butterfly knife, a bowie knife and sometimes a tomohawk...figure if I can't 'Feel tha' BANG!' I'm going to edged weapons. :)

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