carguychris
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Is the SR22 available with a barrel over 105mm/4.13"? If not, AFAIK it's a "Prohibited" weapon in Canada and is unlawful for new commercial sale.Gunner46 said:
If I'm wrong, please correct me.
multi calibre semi autos..
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HisStigness
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I like the 22 conversion kit for my Sig p226. It has adjustable sights and is accurate; the only problem is the mags only hold 10 rounds and cost $40 apiece. I wanted to try out the 40 S&W and 357 sig calibers so I bought a 40 slide and 357 barrel. I guess for the money I could have just bought another gun. So what I learned is a 22 conversion kit is a fun investment (new shooters love it too), but switching between centerfire calibers is not.
Walt Sherrill
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HisStigness re: the P226 .22 conversion kit said:
While there are a few mags out there for some .22, few (if any) of them are double-stack and few of them hold more than 10 rounds. That limits you to keeping the number low and keeping the mag short enough to fit in the gun's grip.
Getting the rimmed .22 round to behave properly in other than a single-stack mag is apparently a challenge.
I'm amazed that my .22 WMR (also a rimmed round) Kel-Tec PMR-30 does so well with it's 30 round mag -- although many recommend loading it only to 25... Seems as though if Kel-Tec can make it work, others could too.
JohnKSa summed it up about perfectly as to the main points to consider.
I know you said you were in Canada. Up there do they use the barrel as the firearm or the frame? In other words: European standard or US standard definition of what is the firearm?
I have a few 'toys' and will attest that you don't buy a conversion kit to save money, really.
I am more in favor of the last two arguments JohnKSa makes: I want it and law.
That said, IF you go the conversion route, I recommend considering the .40S&W as the caliber of your conversion platform.
I am not a big CZ guy, as my index finger is a tad shorter than average so the DA pull feels wrong, and I am in California, where the laws are wrong [import restrictions].
I don't know if the following recommendation works for you up there, or for CZ. I do know it does work though.
A Glock G22 or G23 as the platform. Or, a Browning Hi Power in .40S&W.
Add a .22lr conversion top end [AA or TacSol for Glock, Ciener is the only game in town for BHP].
NOW, add a .40S&W to 9mm conversion barrel [and magazines].
NOW, add a .357Sig barrel to the mix [can use .40 mags].
Presto-Chango! 1 licensed gun and 4 calibers!
However:
Glock = $550
AA .22 kit = $325
40-9 barrel= $150 [ish]
.357sig barrel = $150 [ish]
Total = $1175, not counting 9mm magazines or spare mags for the .22 or .40 handgun. I like to have 5 mags for each gun, to load a full box at a time [10-round max where I live]. With 5 10-round mags for the .40, 5 for the 9mm and 5 for the .22lr, that adds 12 magazines, at about $30 each, for a total of $1535 invested.
For that money you can get a CZ AND a .22lr handgun, and a bunch of spare magazines: but you will be on record as owning 2 guns.
Just a fun thing to throw money away on.
Conversion kits and guns don't really save money-but they can be fun!
Oh, and I wish I could get a spare 1911 frame or BHP frame in California to use for a dedicated .22lr version. I find myself not wanting to swap uppers on those frames too often.
I gravitate toward a dedicated .22lr handgun. Simpler to plan around.
But conversions can be fun. 1911s don't seem to allow as many options, but you can still do 2 calibers at least.
I know you said you were in Canada. Up there do they use the barrel as the firearm or the frame? In other words: European standard or US standard definition of what is the firearm?
I have a few 'toys' and will attest that you don't buy a conversion kit to save money, really.
I am more in favor of the last two arguments JohnKSa makes: I want it and law.
That said, IF you go the conversion route, I recommend considering the .40S&W as the caliber of your conversion platform.
I am not a big CZ guy, as my index finger is a tad shorter than average so the DA pull feels wrong, and I am in California, where the laws are wrong [import restrictions].
I don't know if the following recommendation works for you up there, or for CZ. I do know it does work though.
A Glock G22 or G23 as the platform. Or, a Browning Hi Power in .40S&W.
Add a .22lr conversion top end [AA or TacSol for Glock, Ciener is the only game in town for BHP].
NOW, add a .40S&W to 9mm conversion barrel [and magazines].
NOW, add a .357Sig barrel to the mix [can use .40 mags].
Presto-Chango! 1 licensed gun and 4 calibers!
However:
Glock = $550
AA .22 kit = $325
40-9 barrel= $150 [ish]
.357sig barrel = $150 [ish]
Total = $1175, not counting 9mm magazines or spare mags for the .22 or .40 handgun. I like to have 5 mags for each gun, to load a full box at a time [10-round max where I live]. With 5 10-round mags for the .40, 5 for the 9mm and 5 for the .22lr, that adds 12 magazines, at about $30 each, for a total of $1535 invested.
For that money you can get a CZ AND a .22lr handgun, and a bunch of spare magazines: but you will be on record as owning 2 guns.
Just a fun thing to throw money away on.
Conversion kits and guns don't really save money-but they can be fun!
Oh, and I wish I could get a spare 1911 frame or BHP frame in California to use for a dedicated .22lr version. I find myself not wanting to swap uppers on those frames too often.
I gravitate toward a dedicated .22lr handgun. Simpler to plan around.
But conversions can be fun. 1911s don't seem to allow as many options, but you can still do 2 calibers at least.
Northrider
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As if you aren't inundated enough with all those combinations already, here is one I did not see mentioned. I picked up a Tangfolio (sp) made by EAA Witness last winter that is .45acp and has an extra barrel and slide for .22lr. It was about 700 for 2 guns in one, is accurate, and I have had no issues at all with it.
Just adding more confusion for you.
Shoot Safe and Often
Just adding more confusion for you.
Shoot Safe and Often
Walt Sherrill
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Northrider said:
The new generation of Witness guns all use the same frame (which is based on the .45/10mm frame). You only need a different slide for SOME of them -- as the 9mm, .40 and 10mm (and, maybe, the .38 Super) version can all run off the same slide with barrel swaps or Conversion barrels.
testuser79
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I've had a lot of experience with the EAA Witness. They're reliable rugged guns with an important caveat: you have to be careful about the mags. On the used marked, some guns with rounded slides had cracking issues due to improper heat treatment, but the new ones and older pistols with rectangular slides don't have this issue.
The only magazines I trust in the pistols are made by Mec-Gar, these work great. The probem is, Mec-Gar doesn't manufacturer compact magazines for the Witness, which has caused a lot of headaches for quite a few owners. Don't buy the compact, consistently reliable mags just aren't available, some compact mags work, but many don't.
For those of the us in the USA, it's no big deal. Stick to a fullsize Witness and use Mec-Gar mags or K10 marked magazines in 10mm and you're good to go. You can easily identify the new magazines by looking at the markings on the mag body. You should see a "K-" followed by the caliber, so "K-9", "K-10", "K-40", etc.
The probem is, you're in Canada, which may or may not mean mag restrictions, sorry, I don't know your laws. In any case, if the only magazines available in your area are 10 round with red followers, then stay away from the Witness. If, however, you are allowed to permanently modify a Mec-Gar mag, or, if 10 round K-series mags are available in your area, then you should be fine. I'd check with other local shooters and see if K series mags can be purchased...good luck calling the importer, though, they're likely to tell you all the mags work!
Edit: Looks like 10 round K-series mags ARE being made.
Here's one in .38 Super, but I see they have them I all calibers...
http://eaacorp.com/gun_accessories/...agazine/large-frame/one-ea38m10-101460-1.html
Here's a red follower compact mag. These are junk.
http://eaacorp.com/gun_accessories/...5-polymer-frame-model-2005-magz-101943-1.html
The only magazines I trust in the pistols are made by Mec-Gar, these work great. The probem is, Mec-Gar doesn't manufacturer compact magazines for the Witness, which has caused a lot of headaches for quite a few owners. Don't buy the compact, consistently reliable mags just aren't available, some compact mags work, but many don't.
For those of the us in the USA, it's no big deal. Stick to a fullsize Witness and use Mec-Gar mags or K10 marked magazines in 10mm and you're good to go. You can easily identify the new magazines by looking at the markings on the mag body. You should see a "K-" followed by the caliber, so "K-9", "K-10", "K-40", etc.
The probem is, you're in Canada, which may or may not mean mag restrictions, sorry, I don't know your laws. In any case, if the only magazines available in your area are 10 round with red followers, then stay away from the Witness. If, however, you are allowed to permanently modify a Mec-Gar mag, or, if 10 round K-series mags are available in your area, then you should be fine. I'd check with other local shooters and see if K series mags can be purchased...good luck calling the importer, though, they're likely to tell you all the mags work!
Edit: Looks like 10 round K-series mags ARE being made.
Here's one in .38 Super, but I see they have them I all calibers...
http://eaacorp.com/gun_accessories/...agazine/large-frame/one-ea38m10-101460-1.html
Here's a red follower compact mag. These are junk.
http://eaacorp.com/gun_accessories/...5-polymer-frame-model-2005-magz-101943-1.html
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