Hey guys! My first post on top of being a hand gun newb.. I am from Canada and just wrote my restricted fire arms licence and would like to get my feet in the water with hand guns but also don't want to buy 3 or 4 different caliber guns at $600-$800 a piece. I want a 9mm but also want a .22 for those all day shooting frenzies at the range. I really like the CZ 85 combat for its awesome reviews and the available .22 conversion kit they have for it. I really like the conversion because it's weighted to simulate shooting the 9mm so it makes good practise for shooting the 9mm. But just that gun alone from my local dealer is right around $800 and then the conversion kit is another like $500.. So are there any other makes that are doing this? I might as well just buy the cz85 then an actual .22 for prices like that
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In my opinion, there are only three arguments that one could use to justify the purchase of conversion kits.
1. The tactical argument: The owner places a high premium on being able to practice with rimfire ammunition using a gun virtually identical to his/her issue/self-defense/carry weapon.
2. The I really want it argument: The owner really likes the idea/cool factor/etc. of a conversion kit.
3. The government made me do it argument: The owner is subject to legal restrictions which make owning more than one firearm unusually onerous.
It's virtually always more cost effective to simply buy a separate rimfire pistol. In addition, in many cases, a good quality rimfire pistol will be more accurate and will function more reliably than a conversion kit.
1. The tactical argument: The owner places a high premium on being able to practice with rimfire ammunition using a gun virtually identical to his/her issue/self-defense/carry weapon.
2. The I really want it argument: The owner really likes the idea/cool factor/etc. of a conversion kit.
3. The government made me do it argument: The owner is subject to legal restrictions which make owning more than one firearm unusually onerous.
It's virtually always more cost effective to simply buy a separate rimfire pistol. In addition, in many cases, a good quality rimfire pistol will be more accurate and will function more reliably than a conversion kit.
The prices will vary, but that is about the size of it. Conversion units are not cheap; they are essentially half the gun. They are intended for inexpensive practice by security personnel who carry/use the larger caliber on a daily basis and for whom practice can become expensive if not government funded. (Government funding doesn't make practice less expensive but the taxpayer is picking up the tab.)
Yes, if it is feasible, and might well in the same price range, to buy another gun made for .22; that gun might also be more accurate and easier to shoot, but probably won't provide the same degree of training as a conversion kit.
Jim
Yes, if it is feasible, and might well in the same price range, to buy another gun made for .22; that gun might also be more accurate and easier to shoot, but probably won't provide the same degree of training as a conversion kit.
Jim
The SIG P250 and P320 offer a number of calibers and configurations but so far, no rimfire options that I am aware of for either pistol.
The P320 is a striker fired pistol. The action of the slide partially cocks the striker and then pulling the trigger completes the cocking action and drops the striker.
The P250 is a DAO hammer fired pistol. The hammer is always down. Pulling the trigger draws the hammer back and then drops it.
There are other variants of both designs used by other manufacturers. Some striker designs don't use the slide action to partially cock the striker, leaving all the work for the trigger. Some use the slide action to do nearly all of the cocking which means the trigger only drops the striker. The same basic options apply to various hammer fired designs.
The P320 is a striker fired pistol. The action of the slide partially cocks the striker and then pulling the trigger completes the cocking action and drops the striker.
The P250 is a DAO hammer fired pistol. The hammer is always down. Pulling the trigger draws the hammer back and then drops it.
There are other variants of both designs used by other manufacturers. Some striker designs don't use the slide action to partially cock the striker, leaving all the work for the trigger. Some use the slide action to do nearly all of the cocking which means the trigger only drops the striker. The same basic options apply to various hammer fired designs.
Gunner46, do know that the Sig 1911-22 is merely a GSG 1911-22 with different grips and hopefully, a better exterior finish. Not made by Sig but rather by GSG. So if cost is a large factor and it's possible to shave the price by skipping the Sig branding, consider it.
Mine has been a fun pistol but there are higher quality .22 pistols on the market.
Mine has been a fun pistol but there are higher quality .22 pistols on the market.
A DAO is double action only (the trigger must be fully depressed each time for the weapon to fire). A DA/SAO is double action single action only (the trigger is fully depressed for the first shot,the action cocks the trigger and it is reset to a very short pull thereafter). They are the most popular but be sure to practice your da trigger pull at the range.
chris in va
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Hmm. I wonder if he could get a longslide Glock and get a couple conversion barrels.
Walt Sherrill
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I think -- except in the case where more than one gun is difficult because of legal restrictions -- a gun that can shoot ultiple calibers (whether due to different barrels or different top ends) -- the idea is always more attractive than the reality. For most of us, the same holds true with adjustable sights...
What I found, and what I have observed, however, is that the bulk of the shooting is done with whichever unit offers the lowest cost (in my case, that is usually 9mm...)
I do shoot the .22 top end (Kadet Kit) for my CZ-85 Combat, from time time... because it's one of the most accurate .22s I've ever shot.
And, back when I was shooting IDPA more than I do nowadays, practicing presentations with the .22 was both practical and relatively inexpensive.
What I found, and what I have observed, however, is that the bulk of the shooting is done with whichever unit offers the lowest cost (in my case, that is usually 9mm...)
I do shoot the .22 top end (Kadet Kit) for my CZ-85 Combat, from time time... because it's one of the most accurate .22s I've ever shot.
And, back when I was shooting IDPA more than I do nowadays, practicing presentations with the .22 was both practical and relatively inexpensive.
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I recall an episode from the 1970's TV mystery series Columbo where the bad guy used a pistol with a conversion kit to commit a murder. Columbo, of course, figured it out. I wasn't as much into handguns back then but it most likely was a 1911 with a .22 conversion kit. Any others back then?
I recall an episode from the 1970's TV mystery series Columbo where the bad guy used a pistol with a conversion kit to commit a murder. Columbo, of course, figured it out. I wasn't as much into handguns back then but it most likely was a 1911 with a .22 conversion kit. Any others back then?
Ahh... The "collector factor". It could be a separate reason or a subcategory under the "I really want it" argument.
I tend to forget about collectors because I don't think that way. Stuff I buy has to have a utility/purpose. Not that I always end up using the stuff I buy, but I start out with that intention.
Yea thanks for the input guys! I decided to just roll with a .22 for now to keep things cheap and see if I'm ready to commit to buying more guns. And I just watched some reviews on the ruger SR22 and it looks awesome as well! I wanted the sig 1911 but Im a lefty so I want an ambidextrous and want a DA/SA more than just a SA. I have a weird fetish with decockers haha think they are pretty cool
waveslayer
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Check out the Rock Island .22 TCM. You can shoot 9mm and .22 TCM. I use it for steel out to 200 hundred yards plus on a regular basis. Not super cheap to shoot but it's moving at over 2,000 fps...