Moving up the foodchain from 9mm to 40S&W.

"Moving up the foodchain from 9mm to 40 S&W."

You're kidding, right?

Why stop half-way with the .40 Swishy-Walker? I thought you guys from Kentucky liked to be on top. :D

No, you definitely want to keep going up. Top of the caliber food-chain is 10mm. There you'll get "heavy AND fast." No false alternatives (light & fast vs big & slow) and no light-steppers, just one hell of a wallop on impact.

10mm - when you're ready for the "summit." :D
 
The failure of the 10mm in the marketplace is only proof of how good it was. Too bad the limpwristers in Law Enforcement killed this round off before the civilians had a chance to embrace it.

The nine is a great round but if you want more thud skip the .40 and go to the .45. If that is not enough go for a .357 or .44 Magnum.

I would never get a .40; it is a compromise round.
 
In the hands of the holder

I've always heard the .40 was a detuned 10mm.Just a tad bit smaller than 10 and larger than the 9.I have no problem tapping 16 inch plates at 50 yards with my G22c.Learn to shoot what you own,placement is everything.65% of the countries police forces carrying .40 can't be wrong.SAFE-SHOOTING!
 
"I would never get a .40; it is a compromise round."

So what? That doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't serve its role well.
 
WAILING WALL (okay, forum)

Where oh where is the 41AE in all this caliber blather?

Wish Speer would reintroduce its 180g Gold Dot for it 'cause I'm gettin low.....drive mine at 1030fps, perfect. Perfect.

Caliber of shooter, remember?
DVC
 
The reason I don't carry 10mm is because of the relatively small number of companies making guns chambered in that round. 'Sides I usually carry 357mag. So lets go easy calling people whimps.:rolleyes:
 
I think we're off track guys. The 40 has more power than the 9, can't argue that. We all carry what we feel comfortable with. Maybe he want's a little more uuumph, but not a lot more recoil?
Oh well, we sure have fun with these caliber discussions, don't we. :D
 
If 10mm kind of fizzled out then why do CCI/Speer, Cor-Bon, Federal, Georgia Arms, Hornady, Pro Load, Remington/UMC, Triton and Winchester among others keep making ammo for it? :p

Personal opinion: I used to like .40S&W but now I'm not so sure. The felt recoil increase vs increase in effectiveness doesn't seem to make sense to me... too much of the first and not alot of evidence of the latter, provided you use good +P/+P+ 9mm ammo. After all, +P/+P+ 9mm loads clock in at well over 400 ft-lbs, which equals what you'll get from most standard-pressure .40S&W. And the only .40S&W I've shot that was really accurate is my S&W 610 Classic 6.5" 10mm/.40S&W revolver. :D

For a small gun, I *personally* like 9mm. For a full-size gun I say either (a) stick to 9mm, or (b) go straight to .45 ACP or 10mm Auto. It *seems* obvious to me that standard-pressure .45 ACP is nicer to shoot than hotter .40S&W loads, and 10mm Auto is substantially more powerful than .40S&W from 4.5"+ barrels if you are a power pig. If you want more power from a small gun I'd say go with .357 Sig, it doesn't seem to suffer as much from shorter barrels and by (unscientific, anecdotal) reputation seems more accurate than .40S&W in most guns.

Just my anecdotal, unsupported opinions, usual disclaimers apply.
 
"I think we're off track guys."


Not really.

The original post stated or implied that the .40 S&W was somehow a great leap up the caliber "food chain" from the 9mm. As CB points out, it ain't.

OTOH, you're substantially farther above the 9mm herd suiting up with something chambered in 10mm or .45acp. By the way, with practice the 10mm's recoil becomes a nonissue (being more myth than reality anyway).
 
Yes, and when was the last time you were attacked by a herd of ballistic geleatin? I think it'll do better than a 9mm. And be available in Poduck Ky. all night Wal-Mart! You'll wind up fighting them off with an empty frame if the BBT can't get to you, with the 10mm "oddball" round in the other 90% of America.
TF
 
Hey Tenderfoot,

Why not stick with your .45? I started with 9MMs, moved to .40s but ended up with .45s. I still carry 9MMs and .45s depending on circumstance and never feel undergunned because I depend on practice, but prefer the big .45ACP round.
 
I have done quite a bit of ammo testing, primarily shooting through heavy clothing then into water bottles and I think the .40 is vastly superior to the 9mm. I won’t trust my life to a nine, but I have confidence (as far as handgun rounds go) in the .40 S&W.
 
Well the next time I need to kill a water bottle.... :-)

I too have done some research, and found the 9mm has killed more people than all other handguns rounds combined.
 
Golly gee, Tenderfoot, you've got me there... after I go through the 150 Cor-Bon 180gr JHPs, 40 175gr Silvertips, 20 Cor-Bon 165gr JHPs and and 20 Cor-Bon 200gr Penetrators along with 100 Speer Blazer 200gr TMJs I guess I'll be in a world of hurt for ammo in the event they decide to re-enact the Alamo siege on my doorstep... :rolleyes:
 
"*** You'll wind up fighting them off with an empty frame if the BBT can't get to you, with the 10mm 'oddball' round in the other 90% of America."



Okay ..., maybe in the tooth-free county of Kiss-Ma-Cousin, Kentucky, the UPS trucks cain't make it up them thar hills to deliver ammo to your back door :D (e.g., Georgia Arms; ProLoad, etc).

But last time I checked, YOUR State Police were still carrying the S&W 1076 (in "oddball" 10mm), so at least in the more "urban" areas of Ky, 10mm ammo should be readily available to the ordinary folk.

Best of luck with your continuing climb up the foodchain! :D
 
The 9mm is no slouch, but the .40 S&W is better for stopping power. That's why the FBI switched to it. The Cor-Bon 135-grain .40 S&W really sizzles. We're talking .357 magnum velocities. Despite what you might hear from the .45 ACP worshippers, the .40 S&W is just as deadly as the .45 ACP. What it lacks in diameter compared to the .45 ACP, it makes up in velocity. You can find cheap .40 S&W ammunition for plinking just about anywhere. Don't let anybody make you regret getting a .40 S&W. Nomatter what caliber you get, there is always somebody who thinks it is crap compared to the caliber they have.
 
Normally, I would rather not wade into the murky waters of the opinionated when it comes to caliber decisions. However, as soon as I saw the phrase "stopping power" I realized the waters were now sufficiently deep enough to take any plunge without fear of ridicule.

It has been said before by more profound observers and even once in this very thread. The statement that sums up the entire debate of the .40 caliber:

".40 S&W is an answer for which there was no question."

Is .40 S&W a potentially better caliber choice than 9mm? Quite possibly. It seems to be compiling good statistics in police shootings for the most part, save some poor ammunition choices by some departments. Still, the additional muzzle velocity and weight do not come without some compromise in the areas of controllability, recoil, re-acquisition of the sight picture after each shot...all of which is quite dependent on the launch platform and the shooters skill level. I have shot the .40 S&W from various platforms. For me, it would be a question of investing the time and money into learning the nuances of controllability due to the increased recoil over 9mm or the familiar thumping recoil of the 45 ACP to which I am accustomed. I shoot the .40's quite adequately. However, with the 9mm and 45 ACP I am (own horn toot to follow) quite good. For the time being, the .40 S&W is just not worth the time and expense to get involved with for any claimed added benefit. 10mm offers wonderful possibilities, but the logistics end always has me rolling up short as do many other promising handgun calibers. It is why a 4" bbl .357 completes my handgun calibers list and a .40 S&W is absent. "Approaching" .357 velocities is not achieving .357 velocities.

Those agencies "jumping on the wonder-nines" did so from the .357 Magnum in most cases. A serious degradation in per shot performance with an increase in overall firepower. The one shot stops declined. They simply opted for capacity. It was natural that they become disillusioned with the 9mm in time. Thus, the call for something a tad more powerful in an automatic. They simply had grown accustomed to having the additional rounds. 45 ACP was almost exclusively being held in 1911's in those days and cocked and locked was not an option for most officers. The race was on. The 10mm came, got the short shrift, and the .40 S&W was born. One must also note that, with the present availability of DA .45 ACP autos, more departments are permitting the 45 ACP that would not consider it in a 1911. Even that has changed in a few departments.

Just where is the threshold of the "minimum" defense caliber? It differs so widely among shooters that it is purely subjective. After all, shot placement has been and always will be the paramount factor with either of these rounds with all other considerations forming lines to the rear. Some people won't carry a 9mm stating they think it insufficient for their potential requirements. Others will say that the .40 S&W will not accomplish anything their .45 ACP won't do (I am one of the latter).

9mm or .40 S&W? You have to make that decision. I chuckle at the prospect of the next debate: .40 S&W versus .357 SIG. I have already decided that one, too. The criteria doesn't change much, if at all. Just the approach or marketing.

Still, I see .40 S&W as a heavy contender the more time wears on due to the 10 round magazine limit. It is, sadly, the caliber of the immediate future. Still, I do not see 9mm or 45 ACP ever being dominated by the contemptuous .40 S&W. 9mm is simply too inexpensive while 45 ACP shooters know the truth as it is written.

And 10mm owners are the scribes of that truth.

Poor b*stards that they are.
 
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