Moving to New York state from New Mexico

[mikejonestkd]

I have never heard of having your permit rescinded for minor infractions.

I have, even here in relatively gun friendly Monroe County.

Every time I have an addition to my permit I have to sign off that I have not had any traffic infractions, arrests, unpaid fines, restraining orders....etc...against me. The judge has complete power to revoke any permit at any time, for any reason. To make matters even worse - thanks to the SAFE act, if you lose your permit, the police can confiscate ALL firearms in the house, not just handguns.


To the OP, the job better be one heck of a GREAT job to sway you to move to NYS. I wish you the best of luck if you do.

 

[44 AMP]

To make matters even worse - thanks to the SAFE act, if you lose your permit, the police can confiscate ALL firearms in the house, not just handguns.

I was not aware of this, (I haven't kept up on the details of the SAFE act).

We had a recent thread about the Buffalo area police seizing ALL the guns from homes where the HANDGUN permit holder had died. It was agreed that this was outside their authority. They could legally confiscate the handguns for which no permit existed, but not all the guns.

Now, to be clear, are you telling us that the SAFE act provides the authority to seize ALL firearms if your pistol permit is revoked?

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[GJSchulze]

Every time I have an addition to my permit I have to sign off that I have not had any traffic infractions, arrests, unpaid fines, restraining orders....etc...against me

Is this sign off you mention something new? I've never had to do that. Just a one page form with the information about the gun. However, it's been about a year since the last time I did that.

 

[mikejonestkd]

Not sure if it is just a Monroe County form, but I have always had to sign off that I have had no issues with the law since the last addition to my permit. I've signed off on it 30 times in the past 20 years....

 

[mikejonestkd]

Now, to be clear, are you telling us that the SAFE act provides the authority to seize ALL firearms if your pistol permit is revoked?

44amp. Yes, ALL firearms. To make it even more of an issue - if I sell all of my handguns, remove them from my permit, and choose to not renew my permit and let it expire the State still can seize all my guns with the way the SAFE act is written...... check out the discussions over at NYfirearms.com.

 

[heyjoe]

then monroe county isnt as gun friendly as you think. even down here in gun unfriendly suffolk county the only questions are make, model, type, serial number and ffl

 

[rwilson452]

It's amazing the difference between living north or south of the NY/PA border. Fortunately I live about a mile south of that border.

 

[btmj]

you guys are killing me with all this info... is there any good news?

why certainly... state income taxes are some of the highest in the nation. As an added bonus, the state employee pension funds are in atrocious state, so taxes will HAVE to go up in the future to pay for it.

The fall colors are pretty when the leaves turn.. and the Adirondacks are quite beautiful. Coming from New Mexico, The amount of beautiful vegetation and plentiful rain will amaze you...

 

[Aguila Blanca]

are there any good gun clubs and shooting ranges (preferably outdoor ones, but indoor ones are good, too) withing 50 mile radius of buffalo?

Doesn't matter. In NY state, you are not allowed to even pick up a firearm unless you have some type of permit. Renting or borrowing a firearm to shoot is simply not on the radar.

 

[wogpotter]

Untrue.
You HAVE to be certified by the club secretary of the club where you are a member in good standing & have been trained.
Use of the instructor's, or clubs, firearm is not just allowed but required.

 

[rkittine]

This is also something that varies by county. I live in Manhattan and also in Suffolk, two of the most strict in some ways. To get a pistol permit you are not even required to take a firearms or handgun safety course, though in most counties you are. Technically you are not supposed to shoot someone else's handgun, but that is never enforced on the ranges. Borrowing is another story and if you lend a gun and that is used by the person you lent it too in a crime, guess who is also at fault.

When you walk into a licensed gun shop, you do not need anything to hold or look at a weapon except a valid drivers license, which us usually not asked for.

When I lived in Illinois, you could not touch a rifle, shotgun or pistol in a store without an Illinois Firearms ID card and that was back in the late 80s into the mid 90s.

In New York City you can borrow a Range Handgun at the local range (rent it actually) to shoot with.

One good thing about my New York Permits, I walked into the Sheriffs office in Pennsylvania, they made copies of my New York permits, did a fast background check and I walked out with a pistol permit. Can still buy long arms in PA with a New York drivers license too.

Bob

 

[db4570]

Let me clarify a few things. (Erie County may have some differences from the rest of Upstate that I'm not aware of.)

1. You don't need any sort of permit for a long gun (except maybe for NYC. And there are new restrictions on many auto rifles, of course.) Some here have said you can't own any firearm here without a permit. Not true.

2. The new SAFE Act, as terrible as it is, regarding handguns mostly only affects high-capacity mags. So if you can get 10 round mags for your pistols, you are OK.

3. Not only does the permit take up to a year to approve, the harder part could be getting people to vouch for you. In my county you have to have known them for three years. In Erie County, you may not have to. But you still need 4 references that live in Erie County.

4. Without a permit, you can't have any sort of possession of a handgun. Period. Concealed, open, home defense, range use. Nothing.

Here's my advice, FWIW. I would hang on to what you have. Keep them with a relative out of state. Maybe you will make friends with someone in NY with a permit, and you could temporarily put the guns on his permit while you wait for yours to go through so you could at least go visit them once in a while. It would have to be a really good friend, though. And you'd have to leave your high-cap mags behind.

Here is a link to the permit application:

http://www2.erie.gov/clerk/sites/www2.erie.gov.clerk/files/uploads/PISTOL PERMIT APP_ 2012.pdf

Good luck! And welcome to NY. It's bad, but it does have its good points. Like, uh.... some of the scenery is very nice.

David