Movie: The Patriot

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Glamdring

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Mel Gibson is fighting red coats in a new movie.

Is it me or is that a bit hypocritical.

I like Mel as an actor, but ever since Lethal Weapon IV I have been rather ticked with his stand on weapons considering the types of movies that he has made his money with.
 
Well, I think you have to remember that Mel Gibson didn't write Lethal Weapon IV (to the best of my knowledge) and didn't direct it. He's a talking head, paid to say what they tell him to say.
 
Irreguardless of Mel Gibson's political views, THE PATRIOT is catching heat from the anti-s because it shows two pubescent boys using GUNS to SHOOT people wearing RED COATS. IMAGINE THAT! Young boys using GUNS to defend their homes.

We just asked the British to leave, and they did, didn't they?

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I will agree that he didn't write the movie. But he did agree to be in it. I doubt that he has to take scripts that he doesn't want to at this stage of his career?

But compare Mad Max or even Lethal Weapon 1 to Lethal Weapon 4

What really irked me about LW4 is that the "good guys" no longer have any real ethics/morals to be proud of.

Gibson is someone who does understand that complexity IMO, he is a live theatre level actor. Note: Hamlet, Taking of the Bounty, Bravehart, The Man without a Face, et al.
 
Have the anti's actually said anything about this movie?

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In both instances there is a twilight when everything remains
seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all
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lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
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I see this about Gibson every now and then. Until someone comes up with a lot more evidence than LW4, I'm giving the guy the benefit of the doubt.

I will also point out that my perspectives on various issues have changed during my life ... years ago, I was not as wise as I am now. ;) Gibson may have gone along with a director's / producer's political message then ... he has his own company now. I'll judge him on his own company's work, and political messages.

I'm curious as well ... where / what have you see re: anti's panning 'The Patriot'? If true, that's good news. They will, once again, demonstrate their philosophical, moral and historical bankruptcy.

Regards from AZ
 
Don't get me wrong, I admire Gibson as an actor. He is up there with Harrison Ford, Gene Hackman, Clint Eastwood.

I just disagree with the stand that movies takes in re guns
 
I was waiting for someone to post on this. I think these movies Mel himself has been responsible for producing (Braveheart and now Patriot), unlike the Lethal Weapons, are on balance a good thing, because they show rebellion, questioning authority, freedom-fighting, and a positive use of weapons.
 
Braveheart, Rob Roy, Titanic and now Patriot.

Carrying the evil British theme a little too far aren't we. Although my history isn't what it could be, as I recall we didn't so much kick the British out as p**s them off to the extent they just said "oh to hell with this" and left.

No doubt lots of gratuitous bayonetting of innocent American babies by Redcoats before they are all cut down by Mel and his 18th century version of the machine gun. Jesus, the scary part is that some morons will believe this bilge.

Mike H
 
So Mike, the Brits weren't all that bad and we shoulda just been content to live under their rule? That your contention?
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mike H:
Braveheart, Rob Roy, Titanic and now Patriot.
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No doubt lots of gratuitous bayonetting of innocent American babies by Redcoats before they are all cut down by Mel and his 18th century version of the machine gun....
Mike H[/quote]

Sir, there are evil men in every age, and there are men who, in confusion, grief, or anger, have done very evil things, but that is aside from the point: have you seen the movie?
 
I wouldn't give Mel the boot just because he works for/has worked for antis. Hell, it's Hollywierd, remember. Besides, I'm the only gun-toter where I work, and the rest of the organization is mostly anti-gun and anti-hunting. If I had to keep job-hunting until I found a pro-gun business that wanted to hire me, I'd be living off ketchup and rainwater.

As far as the British question: Don't most military victories pretty much boil down to "annoying the enemy into quitting" by killing a whole bloody lot of them? Just checking :)
 
Well George, I think it was a fair question and not an inflammatory one. Were the British rulers of the US in colonial days not wrong? Were they correct in their demands on the colonies? Were the revolutionaries wrong in seeking independence through force of arms?
If we say yes to these questions it has profound implications for our own quest to preserve the RKBA.
 
All,

I believe George was just giving notice as an ounce of prevention that the
truth lies somewhere between the extremes of:
- The Brits got bored and left, and
- The Brits are a bunch of baby-stabbers.

Let’s just agree:
- Yes, the Brits treated the colonies in a manner that we colonials refused to
accept.
- Yes, we fought.
- Yes, we won.

The Revolution of 1776 is over, as George noted.

Let’s determine how we are going to restore our Constitution to it’s face value
and restore Constitutional Law rather than arguing over Cornwallis.

Now let’s get back to the movie and Mel, ok?

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Stick it to 'em! RKBA!

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jeff Thomas:
Gibson may have gone along with a director's / producer's political message then ... he has his own company now. I'll judge him on his own company's work, and political messages.[/quote]

LW4 was made just three years ago; I doubt that Mel's had a sudden political epiphany since then.

Like it or not, Mel made the choice to participate in a blatantly anti-RKBA movie, and when he was at the height of his career, not when he was a starving actor having to take whatever was offered. Maybe that film doesn't actually represent his true feelings on the subject, but I believe he owes an explanation why he did it. It may turn out to be as simple as "Hey, I was stupid and wasn't really thinking about how that would come across." But he can't pretend he didn't know of that element of the film unless he argues he didn't read the script or see the sets where he performed.

Clint Eastwood is pro-RKBA but anti-hunting, and while I don't agree with the last part, he at least is willing to say flat out what he believes. I can respect that while disagreeing with the sentiment.

And Mel's apologists can't reasonably expect to say "Hey, it's just a movie, lighten up," because Mel and company were careful to point out that "Braveheart" was not just a film but a message. Clearly Mel believes there's meaning in his work. I agree, and I tend to like many of Mel's movies, but I don't think it's unrealistic to expect him to explain the meaning behind LW4 and his choice to perform in it.
 
I haven't seen LW4 in a while, so could some kind soul remind me about the anti-rkba parts?

Thanks

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One last word if I may by way of reply.

No I haven't seen Patriot, wild horses couldn't drag me, nor will I see U-571, because it was the British and not the US who captured the Enigma cipher machine from a German U-Boat - another Hollywood re-write of history for the easily led, I believe the collective noun is Sheeple ?

Do I think the British were bad rulers, well since many of us were essentially British back then (something we choose to forget)it seems an academic point, but for the record, other than some unfair taxes, and bearing in mind the era concerned, no I don't think they were that bad, we certainly couldn't blame them for the many injustices that followed their departure as they were committed by american on american, what was our excuse ?

Finally, and I'm willing to be corrected in the detail but not the thrust of this point, I believe the war included 16 battles worthy of mention, we are credited with winning 5, the most pivotal of which was arguably Yorktown, which was actually won by the French. We did win but they weren't truly defeated, it just got too expensive and they left, and history isn't history when Hollywood tries to reinvent it. I for one will resist, whether it be in our favor or to our national detriment.

Mike H
 
More evidence than LW4? Okay, LW1, LW2, LW3 then.

All the lethal weapon series was anti-gun, you just noticed the last one as it was stocked to the GILLS with left-wing messages (ragging on white people, NRA bashing, etc).

LW1 - how he was going to use a "hollowpoint" so it would "blow off the back of his head"?

LW2 - "Cop Killer" bullets? Hello? Punching through that bulldozer blade? The anti-"cop killer" bullet legislation almost bankrupted a bunch of ammo importers when standard Russian "steel core" AK ammo was regarded as armor-piercing pistol ammo.

"These guns need to be taken off the street - and melted down" etc. etc.

I don't remember exactly which quotes were in which movie. But they were all aimed towards feeding most people's fear and ignorance of guns.


Battler.
 
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