Moved to new state (NC) and CCW

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adamBomb

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Just moved to NC. Is my CCW from PA still valid here now that I have an NC drivers license and am an NC resident and no longer a PA resident? Or do I now need to get the NC license?

I ask because the PA license is good for 3 more years. The NC license requires me to take a class ($100), pay a fee of $80 to the court house, and get finger printed.
 
adamBomb said:
Just moved to NC. Is my CCW from PA still valid here now that I have an NC drivers license and am an NC resident and no longer a PA resident? Or do I now need to get the NC license?

I ask because the PA license is good for 3 more years. The NC license requires me to take a class ($100), pay a fee of $80 to the court house, and get finger printed.
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You can check this web site. "WWW.gunlawsbystate.com" or go to "USCCA.com". Either of them would have what you're looking for. I hope this helps.
 
Suggest checking here:

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/northcarolina.pdf

Be aware that permit requirements may be different for an out-of-state visitor carrying using a recognized permit from their home state, as compared to a person carrying in his/her own state of residence; it's my understanding that a handful of states require residents to obtain a local permit. I don't know enough about NC law to know if this is the case, but I suspect that the PDF will tell you if you read it closely enough. :)
 
Update: It will work just fine as long as PA still honors it. Now I need to check with PA and see if its now null and void because I am no longer a resident. If PA doesnt recognize, I need to apply with NC. Otherwise I can keep it until it does expire.

And for those that leave NC, theirs does become null and void once they leave NC residency for another state's.
 
Your PA LTCF is good until it expires or revoked. revocations are for cause. Moving is not a cause. Your good to go. Personally I would get a NC CCW as soon as its practical.
 
PA may be less a problem than what NC thinks about
a North Carolina resident having a PA resident license.

I'd put this question to the NC authorities no matter what
PA replies. (It's the NC cops you will be dealing with.)
 
Perhaps a call to the state agency that issues conceal carry permits or the attorney generals office. As they say straight from the horses mouth.
 
Just an update on this issue:

The permit is good until it expires. PA said they still honor it but that I obviously cannot renew it. NC says they honor it as long as its still valid in PA. I got the info from speaking the sheriffs at the CCW offices in both states. So my permit is good until 2018.

Now the big question is do LEOs know this....

Having said that, I am going to get my NC CCW very soon but I can carry until that happens.
 
"Now the big question is do LEOs know this...."

Don't count on it. And don't count on another sheriff in another part of NC confirming it either. Don't delay getting your NC permit...it's easy. (My daughter & son in-law both lived there for several years and he has his.)
 
adamBomb said:
The permit is good until it expires. PA said they still honor it but that I obviously cannot renew it.
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Well, that's obviously wrong, because you certainly can renew it. But (as you probably know), all renewals now require that you appear at the sheriff's office in person, so they can take your photo and "capture" your signature electronically.

The last time I renewed my license I was in line behind a couple from New York state who had driven down for the day specifically to either get or renew (I didn't ask which) their PA licenses. PA doesn't distinguish between a resident and non-resident license. (Obviously, a new license will have your NC address on it.)

Since you are no longer a PA resident, you would not have to go back to your former county of residence, you can (in theory) go to any county sheriff. In practice, not all counties issue to non-residents, although they are supposed to. When I met the couple from NY we were in Bellefonte (Centre County). There are several counties in PA that are closer to where they lived in NY, but those counties had declined to issue to them, so they made the trek to Centre County.
 
Well, that's obviously wrong, because you certainly can renew it. But (as you probably know), all renewals now require that you appear at the sheriff's office in person, so they can take your photo and "capture" your signature electronically.

The last time I renewed my license I was in line behind a couple from New York state who had driven down for the day specifically to either get or renew (I didn't ask which) their PA licenses. PA doesn't distinguish between a resident and non-resident license. (Obviously, a new license will have your NC address on it.)

Since you are no longer a PA resident, you would not have to go back to your former county of residence, you can (in theory) go to any county sheriff. In practice, not all counties issue to non-residents, although they are supposed to. When I met the couple from NY we were in Bellefonte (Centre County). There are several counties in PA that are closer to where they lived in NY, but those counties had declined to issue to them, so they made the trek to Centre County.
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when I go back for xmas I will look into getting the address changed on the actual permit. They did tell me on the phone that I cannot renew though.
 
adamBomb said:
when I go back for xmas I will look into getting the address changed on the actual permit. They did tell me on the phone that I cannot renew though.
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I won't ask for your county if you prefer not to say, but your old county in PA may be one of those that ignore what the state law says and decide unilaterally that they don't want to or don't have to issue to non-residents. There have been numerous discussions of this issue on the PAFAO forum. The good news is that non-residents can go to any county to either get or renew, so if one county won't help you -- go county shopping. You can find which counties will issue to non-residents by asking on PAFAO. Centre County Sheriff Danny Nau happens to be very pro-2A and as long as he's in office it's probably a safe bet that you can renew in Bellefonte.
 
Nice. I actually used to live in bellefonte when I went to grad school at PSU. I will be about 1 hr away from there so if I cant in my county I can make a trip to state college.
 
adamBomb said:
I will be about 1 hr away from there so if I cant in my county I can make a trip to state college.
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Remember, you are now a North Carolina resident. You no longer have a "my county" in Pennsylvania. Yes, [___] County issued your LTCF, but it's a state license, not a county license. The new system with the plastic cards and photo IDs actually connects the sheriffs' offices to Harrisburg for the licensing process. If the link goes down, the county can't issue or renew any LTCFs until the link is restored.
 
Update on this. I spoke with another sheriff in PA who told me my PA license is no longer valid because I am not a PA resident anymore. Whether its true or not it doesn't matter because it means that I just shouldn't rely on these government employees to know any laws. I am taking my ccw course in NC in dec and will have my carry permit by jan. I guess I am not carrying here for the next 2 months though.
 
adamBomb said:
Update on this. I spoke with another sheriff in PA who told me my PA license is no longer valid because I am not a PA resident anymore.
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I suggest that you log onto the PAFAO forum and ask about this. I believe the information you were given is incorrect, and I'm pretty certain I remember seeing this question discussed on PAFAO more than once.

Is your license one of the new, plastic photo licenses? (The kind they're issuing now?) If so, take it out and look it over. Mine just says "Pennsylvania License to Carry Firearms." There is no space anywhere on it to indicate resident or non-resident status. My understanding is that it remains valid until either the expiration date, or it is revoked for cause.

Moving doesn't enter into it. It's issued through a county sheriff's office, but it's a state license, not a county license. Say your license was issued by Centre County, and you relocated to Lancaster County. You wouldn't have to get a new license just because you moved across a county line. I'm pretty certain the same applies to state lines. You are still licensed by the State of Pennsylvania to carry a firearm, the only thing that has changed is your residence address.

BTW, I believe the legal eagles on PAFAO have determined that, technically, you don't even have to notify the sheriff who issued your license that you have moved. I'm not certain on that, however, so log onto PAFAO and ask.

I'm sure the guys and gals at PAFAO will get a chuckle out of the misinformation you are being given.
 
I'm pretty certain the same applies to state lines. You are still licensed by the State of Pennsylvania to carry a firearm, the only thing that has changed is your residence address.
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Except for the following:

Title 18 6109 (e) Issuance of License (1)...A license shall not be issued to any of the following:
(ix) A resident of another state who does not possess a current license or permit or similar document to carry a firearm issued by that state if a license is provided for by the laws of that state, as published annually in the Federal Register by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms of the Department of the Treasury under 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(19) (relating to definitions).
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Of course he already has the license, but further:
(i) Revocation.--A license to carry firearms may be revoked by the issuing authority for good cause. A license to carry firearms shall be revoked by the issuing authority for any reason stated in subsection (e)(1) which occurs during the term of the permit....
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I have not found any indication that you are required to notify the sheriff of your change of residence. If you do notify, then he may have good cause to revoke. That's how I read it in my non-lawyer simple English.
 
I think the time and cost of the NC class and license is going to be less money and effort than chasing down conflicting quasi-legal opinions via internet and telephone, which, upon reliance, may get you into hot legal water in NC and strip you of your CCW rights for as long as you live there.

Pick another game, this one is not worth the candle.
 
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