Most reliable handgun in subzero weather: revolver or semi?

Shep

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Would you choose a revolver or semi for the most reliable "go to" gun for prolonged exposure in extreme cold weather? Why?
Is there likely to be a difference?

I currently have 3 wheelguns, but I'm thinking about carrying a Glock or Springfield XD for cold weather reliability.

Your thoughts?
 
If you own a good quality revolver or semi-auto handgun that is well maintained with quality lubricants, you will see no difference in performance with either.

If you use a thick grease, you may see sluggish performance...if your weapon is outside all of your clothing and you are in sub-zero temps for extended periods of time.

Most of us keep our CCW weapons inside the jacket (or at least in a pocket) fairly close to the body and it's heat.
 
For what it's worth, the Norwegian army uses a variation of the Glock 17 and the H&K USP, The swiss use/used the SIG P-210 & P-220, The Swedish military uses the Glock 17, The Canadians use the P-226.
Those are some of the coldest places on earth, all using semi-auto's so in short as the poster above me said with the proper lube and maintenance you should see no serious difference in reliability.
 
We've come a long way, baby.

You asked, open-endedly, "What are your thoughts?" I always have a lot of thoughts.

In the old days, it was important to literally, "Keep your powder dry", referring to the powder in your flintlock's pan. At Agincourt, it is said, the English and Welsh archers kept their bows unstrung (as opposed to the French) and it rained. While the French's (wet) bowstrings stretched, the English and Welsh kept their bowstrings dry inside their clothes until after the rain stopped and the battle started. Thus, they had better range.

So much for old history.

Revolvers have relatively delicate mechanisms (compared to semi-autos) While they are generally well shielded against entry of problematic materials, if you "torture test" a revolver, dropping it in sandy mud and sloshing it around, you are likely to jam up the barrel/cylinder gap, the advancing hand, the locking hand, the sear perhaps and the trigger and hammer, maybe. Maybe even blocking the firing pin.

The semi-auto, on the other hand can get jamming grit in the rails and if the chamber gets even a little foreign material in in the chamber, you are certain to get a jam.

The U.S. government torture tested semi-automatic handguns before adopting the 1911 Government Model and the Beretta M9 as well. Other organizations have tested the Glocks, Sigs, Radoms, etc. as well as competing revolvers.

While the efficacy of G.S.A.'s testing may be questionable (witness the early versions of the M-16), the evidence is pretty clear.

It appears autoloaders have come out on top.

But there is more.

The typical civilian, and most law enforcement personnel will not be required to go through the rigors of our military. Nor will their sidearms.

Most civilians carry inside their clothing and their carry weapons are not exposed to extreme temperatures, mud, grit etc. Most Law enforcement and civilian weapons go home daily and are not subject to the abuse to which military arms are subject.

But wait, there's even more.

The General Issue (G.I.) sidearm is reputed to be virtually unjammable. Probably because of the generous tolerances in its moving parts, the better to not be jammed up by foreign materials. The G.I. 1911 of WWII is famous for this, and concomitantly famous for its inaccuracy. An accurized 1911 has closer tolerances and proportionately greater likelihood of jamming.

So, in operation, a revolver NEVER has problems chambering where a semi-auto might (reloading is another matter). Lubricants gummed up by by the cold might disable a revolver more often than a semi, but if either is kept close to the body is not likely to be a factor. Lube selection can mitigate this effect. (Do you pay attention to the weight of the motor oil in your car's engine? Do you pay as much attention to the lubrication in your self-defense guns?) The amount of concern you should give to entry of foreign material has the same sort of factors.

So, to answer the original question: It depends. Mostly on you and your situation.

In the final analysis of the totality of factors, the choice between action types should probably include not only cold temperatures, but also how finely tuned (and finicky) that PARTICULAR GUN is, the odds that foreign materials will be a factor, number of rounds in the gun before reload, speed of reload and probably the first consideration, "What is the threat?".

I hope my thoughts (as contradictory as they are) have helped.

Lost Sheep.
 
Get a jacket with a clear thru slot and carry close to your body and out of the weather. I have 2 jackets made that way. This way it does not matter what the weather is the weapon is warm and dry.
 
There's little question that a revolver is more tolerant of harsh conditions, but any well maintained good quality handgun should perform in any weather that the human body can tolerate.
 
You shouldn't have any problems with either a revolver or a semi auto due to cold weather assuming you maintain them both.

My hunch would be that if I had to count on one or the other for that life or death shot, I'd pick a revolver over a semi.
 
One thing to consider. If you plan to use your gun in cold weather, do NOT reduce spring weight, have the gun closely fitted, or use heavy oil or grease to lubricate it. That goes for any gun, of any kind.

With reasonable care, any handgun, revolver or autoloader, should give good service in cold weather, though I have personally never fired anything at below about 10 F. Not because the guns couldn't take it, but because I couldn't.

Jim
 
You would be fine carrying a semi auto.
I just read an article in American Rifleman recently that was talking about the small arms used during the Korean war. They were using M1 Garands and 1911's in sub zero temperatures. The biggest problems they were having was lubrication freezing and the actions not working. They learned quickly that to have a reliable weapon they needed to be striped of all lubrication and run dry. Also keeping ice and snow out of the actions was imperative.

I think traditional oils are not a good choice for real cold weather. I use "Slip 2000 EWL" it has an operating temperature of -110 to +1250 degrees Fahrenheit. I think if you want to use a glock, you could go with virtually no lubrication, or a dry graphite lube. If it were me, I would lightly lube the gun with Slip 2000 EWL and then wipe it back off, leaving just a thin film. I think that should keep things from locking up/gumming up, and also provide some protection against rust and friction.

I think that would be a good idea for any cold weather applications, weather it be a semi auto, revolver, bolt action, pump, lever... you get the idea. I'd imagine it to work just fine in sub zero temps. ....

However... Thats just my personally untested opinion:)

I wonder how the polymer on a glock would hold up in such incredibly cold weather?
 
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There is no magic or demons in cold weather for most civilian usage! Cops have carried guns of every type forever without a worry, and their guns are not against their body most of the time, they are out alone in duty rigs. Unless you are fighting the Korean War all over again, or going to the South Pole, you probably will not have issues for the small amount of time you will ever be exposed to temperatures long enough to be concerned about.

Good maintenance,and no worries, hot or cold!
 
I think that was debunked oh.......nearly a hundred years ago.

Agreed for the mud and the muck. However, Chuck Taylor did a test some years ago with a S&W model 27 in extreme cold weather. I think he buried in the snow or something like that. It shot fine, no problems while most of the semi-autos had malfunctioned. However, since most of us don't bury our pistols in the snow or expose them to 30 below tempertures, it is mostly a moot point.
 
Agreed for the mud and the muck.

Really? OK I propose a test.

I will mix up a batch of mud and slosh a Nagant revolver in same. I will then leave it in a snow bank till frozen.

You slosh your favorite crunchenticker in the same mud, then let it freeze.

We will then both bang off the loose mud and ice with a hard object, then use naturally issued deicer to clean out the bore. Then load and fire.

Bet you lose :) Test already performed at Stalingrad and outside Moscow:p

WildheywaityouwantmetodowhatonmyglockAlaska ™©2002-2011
 
Your all panssiys
You have neither the guts nor gas to gtet to a place where yoy could test your ivorytower pertritudes
 
Your all panssiys
You have neither the guts nor gas to gtet to a place where yoy could test your ivorytower pertritudes

Hey dont bogart that whole bottle there dude, pass it over to me:D:D:D


WilditsmondaydudenotfrindaynightAlaska ™©2002-2010
 
"Chuck Taylor" cold weather carry, protection...

Gun-writer, trainer and combat veteran: "Chuck Taylor" did a long term detailed research project many years ago(late 1980s) where he packed & shot a few common handguns in extreme places(desert, jungle, wilderness, beach-marine climate). Taylor wrote that he used a factory stock Glock 17 9mm, a Beretta 92F/M9 9mmNATO, a K or N frame S&W DA revolver and a older S&W blue steel pistol like a 39-2 or 59 duty pistol.
For the tests he only field strip & cleaned the firearms every 2000 rounds or so.
From what I recall, the Glock 17 & S&W DA revolver were the only handguns that held up to the cold weather(low temp, ice, snow, etc).
For your use(s), I'd go with a Glock pistol with a light coat of CLP like Weaponshield or Mpro7's LPX.
A little on the rails & moving parts should do fine.
A N frame Smith and Wesson or maybe a Ruger AK snub in .44magnum or .454/.45LC could be a smart choice too. A large .44magnum round or powerful .454 could drop a lot of large game or defend you in a critical incident.
The same CLP advice would apply to the .44s too.
 
Going back to the Nagant revolver, I have heard (anecdotal accounts of course) that the much punier 1895 revolver was used out in the Russian winter during WWII because the all steel Tokarev semi would either have the slide freeze or contract to the point that it would not cycle. Thus the tank-like 1895 would be used.

I would doubt that with today's materials it would matter much at all. Revolvers could technically develop timing issues if stuff got into the inner workings. Autos could sludge up if they are lubed with thick grease. Personally, I hate the cold and will go to great lengths to avoid it entirely rather than worrying about if my gun can handle it.

I would probably want something with a polymer grip simply because subzero metal in my hand doesn't sound like fun...but i'm a wuss:p
 
Any good quality auto designed for military goes through vigorous test including freezing .So the most durable ,reliable guns are those like Glock, H&K etc.

Petroleum lubricants can have a large number of compounds including waxes [parafin]. Those waxes will precipitate in cold weather and the lube will become thick and gummy ! A highly refined oil like turbine oil will not have these waxes and will perform much better in the cold. Excessive lube of any kind can [popular for many shooters !!] cause problems .

But the biggest problem for cold weather is condensation !! That's what you must watch for .
 
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