I haven't creatively expanded anything. Honestly I don't see how he managed to hand file 12 teeth and get them lined up true. A Remington is a different story altogether tho. It doesn't have teeth like a Colt does. I don't grasp at straws or twist things around to suit my theories either.
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Most durable lockwork, Remington or Colt?
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I haven't creatively expanded anything. Honestly I don't see how he managed to hand file 12 teeth and get them lined up true. A Remington is a different story altogether tho. It doesn't have teeth like a Colt does. I don't grasp at straws or twist things around to suit my theories either.
"creatively expanded" according to how badly someone's argument depended on it being impossible
He was referring to me. I didn't say it was impossible, I said it was impractical.
He just so desperately wants to believe that everyone that had a revolver in the ACW carried a dozen extra cylinders, because his grandpappy said so.
Soldiers did carry loaded extra cylinders too.
Such a definitive statement, without ANY supporting evidence, yet. If there is, I would seriously, love to see it. I enjoy learning new things about history. Until evidence is found, or produced, it's just speculation.
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Well I'm out of it. You can't argue with people that refuse to see the truth.
Amen. He's gonna believe what he wants to anyway. More power to him.
Apparently the extra cylinder question has been extensively debated many time before this thread began and many people believed it to be true. Somebody on this TFL thread said "just show me one case".
Well, personally I can't, but a poster on something called muzzleloader.com on topic # 228232 "The Myth of Cylinder Swapping" on 12-18-08 posted post # 652017 saying " I have yet to find a credible reference to the practice of carrying pre-loaded cylinders for cap and ball pistols", changed his tune on post # 653089 on 12/21/08 saying "I must make a correction and I don't know how to edit my previous post. I see that the 1858 cased set presented to Custer does in fact have an additional cylinder in the upper right hand corner, which I completely missed." (So, apparently it wasn't The Outlaw Josie Wales who thought this idea up after all.)
THis poster later went on to say "So for purposes of clarification, I have to admit that it's entirely possible an extra cylinder or two was a common feature among soldiers ... who used that particular brand of pistol since changing it out is a fairly easy procedure."
I don't know what photo he was talking about, but apparently George Armstrong Custer owned a 1858 Remington revolver that came with two cylinders. Did he carry that extra cylinder loaded in the Civil War, or did he even even carry that gun at all, I don't know. But he apparently had an 1858 Remington with two cylinders, so there's one.
One of the other points made in that forum was that while ordinary soldiers were not issued spare cylinders, some soldiers probably carried battlefield pickups which they would have been able to use since chnging them out was a relatively simple procedure.
Some people on that forum were of the opinion that there's no written reference's to using spare cylinders because it was simply called "reloading".
Well, personally I can't, but a poster on something called muzzleloader.com on topic # 228232 "The Myth of Cylinder Swapping" on 12-18-08 posted post # 652017 saying " I have yet to find a credible reference to the practice of carrying pre-loaded cylinders for cap and ball pistols", changed his tune on post # 653089 on 12/21/08 saying "I must make a correction and I don't know how to edit my previous post. I see that the 1858 cased set presented to Custer does in fact have an additional cylinder in the upper right hand corner, which I completely missed." (So, apparently it wasn't The Outlaw Josie Wales who thought this idea up after all.)
THis poster later went on to say "So for purposes of clarification, I have to admit that it's entirely possible an extra cylinder or two was a common feature among soldiers ... who used that particular brand of pistol since changing it out is a fairly easy procedure."
I don't know what photo he was talking about, but apparently George Armstrong Custer owned a 1858 Remington revolver that came with two cylinders. Did he carry that extra cylinder loaded in the Civil War, or did he even even carry that gun at all, I don't know. But he apparently had an 1858 Remington with two cylinders, so there's one.
One of the other points made in that forum was that while ordinary soldiers were not issued spare cylinders, some soldiers probably carried battlefield pickups which they would have been able to use since chnging them out was a relatively simple procedure.
Some people on that forum were of the opinion that there's no written reference's to using spare cylinders because it was simply called "reloading".
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I stated at least twice before, that I have seen extra cylinders with CUSTOM, PRESENTATION CASED SETS, like the one you mention. That revolver was givin to Custer after the war, I believe. I also said there were probably a few "spares" in the war. But you now seem to think that the U.S. and C.S. ordinance dept. was in the business of fitting thousands of extra cylinders to thousands of revolvers, when the infantry rifles, that even you said, did the bulk of the fighting, were sitting by the way side in need of repair, in the middle of war. Again, I'm sure that there were few extra cylinders around, but it was in no way common. If it were, you would find mention of them by at least a few soldiers. But, as of yet, I have seen no mention at all. Like Hawg said, you grasp at straws, and make more assumptions to fit your theories. Believe whatever you want. Everyone needs fantasies. I'm also tired of the BS.
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I didn't ask for, nor do I need your permission to think anything, believe anything, or say anything. I go my own way and you can like it or you can lump it and I don't care which. You may rest assured that your opinion of what I think, believe, or say will not alter in any way what I choose to post on this thread or any other. I know that just bites your a$$ but that's the way it is.
I have to say that I've never heard of loose cylinders routinely being dug from battlefields. In fact, I personally have not heard of any being found.
Also have to say that I've never seen document evidence that military contract revolvers were furnished with spare cylinders.
Those, plus I've never seen offered verifiable period documentation mentioning cylinder swaps as being standard or common procedure.
Logic, at this point, dictates (to me) that common use of spare cylinders is a myth. Until proven otherwise, that's my position on this off-topic subject. FWIW. Who cares?
Also have to say that I've never seen document evidence that military contract revolvers were furnished with spare cylinders.
Those, plus I've never seen offered verifiable period documentation mentioning cylinder swaps as being standard or common procedure.
Logic, at this point, dictates (to me) that common use of spare cylinders is a myth. Until proven otherwise, that's my position on this off-topic subject. FWIW. Who cares?
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Back before computers, when folks read real books, I saw comments about Texas Rangers of the cap'n'ball era having two and even three spare cylinders already loaded. Trying to reload a cylinder while on horseback at a gallop is not at all an easy feat.
None of which relates to the opening post.
None of which relates to the opening post.
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