Mossberg vs. Savage

4runnerman said:
taylorce1 said:
Why upgrade a rifle? Why do some people build hot rods, kit planes, and gaming computers? Because it is in our nauture as humans to want something more out of things
Very true taylor, But if the rifle costs 300.00 and you put 200.00 more into it???.. That just don't add up to much in the brain dept.

As for it being the same one our boys shot.Not. I can dig up the article from just this morning when i researched it before i posted that reply and send it to you,if you want. It was not the same rifle in question. It was based off that rifle ,but mods were done to it.

I take it from your user name your into Toyota's correct? If your into off roading you do modifications to your vehicle to make it perform better don't you? Why would you want to give up that ability in a rifle just to save a few dollars? That isn't what is adding up to me at all with your passion over the Axis. The OP may not be able to get a Remington ADL package for $40 more in his neck of the woods but, he may have not known to look.

Another thing you are telling the OP is that if he buys an Axis rifle he will be accurate with it. That just isn't true, how many of the people you out shoot at the range with the Axis really have the skills you do? Besides I'm sure you hand load to tailor your ammunition to your rifle, how many of those guys you see at the range are using the best quality ammunition for their high dollar rifles? I found most of them bought a high priced rifle thinking that was all they needed to achieve a high level of accuracy, they don't do the work necessary to shoot at a high level of accuracy they just expect it.

Truth be told I don't know of a bolt action rifle being made today that won't beat the accuracy of a stock commercial production rifle of 10-15 years ago. Every rifle company can put out a "Lemon" once in awhile but for the most part the majority of people who buy any new rifle are satisfied with its performance straight out of the box. For those who aren't there are options with a bottom end Remington M700 that aren't there with a Savage Axis.

For those few who develop the skills to shoot to their rifles potential. Then $200 to upgrade your $300 rifles ability is a lot cheaper than buying an $1000 rifle especially if you are sticking with the same cartridge. Seems to me it adds up as well as sticking a lift kit and bigger tires under your Toyota to make it go more places off road than ever before.

I wish someone would have told me to spend the extra money and buy a Jeep CJ or Wrangler instead of buying my cheap old Commando, trying to upgrade that was real expensive as everything had to be modified to work or custom fabricated. I paid $500 for it probably spent well over $2K upgrading the suspension, ignition, fuel system, exhaust, wheels and tires and in the end sold it for $800, some lessons are learned the hard way.

As far as the M40 and M24 sniper rifles that our US Military uses. The action at the heart is the same M700 bolt action that you or I can buy off the shelf at Wal-Mart. The Marine Corps builds their rifles at an armory in Quantico, while Remington was contracted by the Army to build the M24. Marines use a short Action M700 and the Army a long action. What I said was the action used by the Military is the same M700 action we can buy, I never said there wasn't upgrades done to the rifles. I said as well, that I hoped the M24's that Remington put together get a little more attention to detail than the standard assembly line rifle, because our men in uniform who use them deserve that at the very least.
 
Axis experience...

I just snagged an Axis for my kid...308, great rifle.....MOA groups at 100 yards with Federal. Nice gun.

Andy
 
Another thing you are telling the OP is that if he buys an Axis rifle he will be accurate with it

Taylor- I said no such thing. I stated that the Axis is a very accurate rifle. The rest is up to him. Off roading in a 4 wheeler is vastly different than doing mods on a rifle that shoots sub MOA right off the bat. Taylor-I have no doubt that your expirence vastly out weights mine for sure. I guess i look at the practical side of things. I have a 6MMBR that i did put a 1200.00 scope on,but that was it. If i was getting a rifle to hunt with only- I would not be doing such foolisheness with it. Hunting and Comp shooting are not the same.

For a hunting rifle the Axis just the way it is out of the box will be more than good enough for him. Shooting a deer or such at 300 yards and shooting a 3 inch target at 600 yards are not the same. Millions of people shoot deer every year with rifles that me and you would not consider good enough for what we do. But every year those rifles drop deer dead. In your terms on trucks. That would be like putting a lift kit and mudders on a truck to drive on the street. It is a waste of time and money.
 
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4runnerman said:
taylorce1 said:
Another thing you are telling the OP is that if he buys an Axis rifle he will be accurate with it

Taylor- I said no such thing. I stated that the Axis is a very accurate rifle. The rest is up to him. Off roading in a 4 wheeler is vastly different than doing mods on a rifle that shoots sub MOA right off the bat. Taylor-I have no doubt that your experience vastly out weights mine for sure. I guess i look at the practical side of things.

You are right you didn't say that, I guess I got carried away there. However, every rifle mentioned will probably shoot MOA right out of the box. My analogy of off roading and the rifle really isn't that far off. My guess is that most people who drive lifted vehicles spend 90% on pavement with it, so you just modified a perfectly drivable vehicle. The other people that aren't professionals that purpose built a vehicle for off road use the vehicle spends 90% of its time in a driveway or on a trailer.

My point is regardless how well the Axis shoots out of the box, paying $380 for a packaged Axis rifle is way too much. Especially when I can pick up a Savage 110 packaged rifle for $397 with a wood stock or Remington M700 ADL package $419 both at different Wal-Marts locally. You're right he may never need or want the ability to upgrade the rifle, but at least he has an option for only a few dollars more. If he goes with the Mossberg which has a better factory trigger and hates the cheap synthetic stock (more rigid than the Axis) at least he can pick up a Boyd's laminate for around $100, you can't even say that about the Axis.

For the foreseeable future there isn't going to be a lot you can do with an Axis except change the triggers and barrels out. If a person has pretty decent wood working skills you could always carve out a new stock for the Axis and run it single shot. A couple guys are doing that, as well as removing the recoil lug slot from the receiver and using a standard recoil lug.

As far as experience goes, I wouldn't say mine is vastly greater than yours. In fact I'd say as far as shooting goes that I very rarely shoot as well as you. However I hunt a lot or at least did, and I do like to try different things. I spend my money making what I want to shoot, that is why I have no respect for the Axis but a lot of respect for the Savage 10/110. You see the Pros as it being a cheap accurate rifle, I see the Cons as it being a cheap rifle with a dim future.
 
ended up goin with the marlin XS7 .308 new with sling and burris 3-9x40 scope for $350. The acutrigger shoots like a dream and the bolts smooth as butter
 
Also happy you got the Marlin X rifle. Yea, I recommended the Mossberg, but you limited your choice to it or an Axis. Own a couple of the Marlin X rifles and if you'd asked for what budget type rifle to buy, I certainly would have recommended it.
 
ended up goin with the marlin XS7 .308 new with sling and burris 3-9x40 scope for $350. The acutrigger shoots like a dream and the bolts smooth as butter

If I'd seen this thread earlier I would have recommended exactly that. The Marlin is the pick of the litter in inexpensive rifles. You're far better off with a Marlin and a Burris than a more expensive rifle and a cheap scope.

Good hunting.
 
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