Mossberg 464 lever action .30-.30 carbine

Oldjarhead

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In all my born days, I have never owned a lever action 1894 type rifle. Well, I am finally getting the itch and I think I need to scratch it. I have looked all over the internet and checked a few stores, when I came across a Mossberg 464 lever action, .30-.30 calibre rifle. It is a plain jane, with the straight stock, in the old west configuration. I know Mossberg has been around for ages, and outfits the US military with shotguns.

I would like to buy one, since the price tag is very good at $388 at my local gun store, but I would like to hear from some owners of this rifle, their experiences with it, and should I buy one. Thanks.
 
I'll save everyone the trouble here. The 464 looks OK, but the finish isn't great. You can get a Marlin 336 in 30-30 for $400 at Dick's, and cheaper elsewhere. Buds has then for $389 delivered to your FFL. I believe Marlin has a $35 rebate right now, and the one at Dick's comes with a 3X9 scope (not a great one, I'm sure, but it's free). I am thinking of getting a Marlin for the very same reason you are: just to have a classic lever gun. I wouldn't buy a Mossberg over a Marlin.
 
The write up in Shooting Times a couple years ago was very good.But Marlin has a ton of history with lever actions with more calibers than the Mossberg[1] I like the Henry's too but once you leave the blued 22's the price goes up .
 
The replies so far are interesting, and are appreciated, but as I mentioned above, I was looking for comments by owners of the Mossberg 464, or someone who has shot one a lot. I know Marlins and Winchesters are great guns, but I just need a little first hand information on the Mossberg 464.
 
A friend of mine has one. It's OK. Finish isn't great, and the action isn't as smooth. I've never fired it, but I think you will get 100% of the responses telling you to buy a Marlin or winchester.
 
pick up a used marlin if you want a scope or a winchester if you want a "woods" gun with irons.

You should be able to find one for about 250-300.
 
Problem is that you're not gonna get a lot of responses from actual owners, because for the same money, you can buy a Marlin or Winchester, and most people go that route. Would you buy a Lorcin if it cost the same as a Glock?
 
Since the 94 is not currently being made in a configuration thats affordable.. I think your best option for a new gun is a marlin... Even if the Mossberg shoots, its still ugly as sin and the wood is :barf:....
 
If you can. Go to A store where you can compare the Mossberg side by side with A Marlin. You will buy the Marlin as there is no comparison.
 
To the original OP, more than a month later, I actually own a Mossberg 464 in 30-30.I can tell you I like it. My previous experience with lever actions includes handling a Marlin and shooting a few Winchesters that belonged to friends(more than 15 years ago). That being said I was never a lever guy until recently. When I went to shop for one I compared all the good, bad,availability and prices in my area. All this was based on my perceived personal likes and needs. I didn't feel the need to buy any brand over another so I bought the 464 because I felt it met those needs/wants.

I like the look and feel of the straight stock, it has a recoil pad installed, the receiver is drilled and taped (but right now I do not want a scope). It's lightweight with a good blue finish and tang safety ( I actually like those if the rifle is going to have a manual safety). It has an open top receiver (you can reload through the top in a quick reload drill), has an angle eject and the magazine tube can be topped off while loaded.

Some of the negatives of the rifle...While the trigger isn't bad, the pull could be a bit lighter. It has some sloppy take up, what seems like a hard pull and whats nice is a very clean break with little to no overtravel. The grip safety(I think thats what it is) dosen't bother me but I could do without. I would prefer a half cock hammer capability also. I would like a swivel stud installed on the stock and a band on the front. The loading gate is stiff and the action is finally loosening up although I want it to be smoother. One thing that became appearant is the lack of after market parts. Specifically replacement iron sights. The stock ones are ok but I want something like a XS sights they have for a marlin. No big deal though, I am in the process of looking at alternatives and saw Skinners peep sights yesterday.

Shoots good, recoil isn't bad and mine seems to do well with the cheap federal 170's from walmart. It has worked with 4 different loads, 3 brands and two weights with no problems. If you did some research you may have read that there is an extractor problem with early models. Mine is in the late 7000 serial number range and have not experienced that. Granted I have only put 40 rounds through it, but I have done hundreds of snap caps dry fires and worked the gun repeatedly, no extractor or ejection problems. Drops the case right next to your feet. The forty rounds I put through, was funtion testing, accuracy testing and rapid fire testing. No hang ups or slow downs but after 5 quick shots (thats what I loaded, it holds 6) the barrel was hot.

I bought it to be a plinker, hunter (one day) and a beleive it or not a self defense rifle. It also mates up well with a Henry .22 LR lever action I bought. Where i go shooting and the general area around here, I don't expect shots over 150 yards. What I like about it is that it is new production, it dosn't fit the assault rifle profile, I don't worry about its collectors value and its reliable so I can take it with me anywhere and shoot the heck out of it. It was a easy choice for me even with some of the negatives. Comparable Winchesters around here at the gun shops are more expensive for a beat up used rifle with someone elses problems. I don't mind the marlin and might own one someday, just dont care for the closed receiver top and pistol grip stock. Those prices for used and new ones are about the same as a new Mossberg, so no big deal there.

Hope this helps you make a decision. I am perfectly ok with mine, I don't have a name brand hang up and am an equal opportunity shooter.
 
This has been discussed at length here and on lever gun forums and the conclusion is Mossberg's 464 is junk - many extractor failures in less than six shots (magazine capacity) and some on the first shot and Mossberg's indifference to customer problems. Mossberg isn't new to the lever gun rifle business as is generally believed - they produced some half dozen models in the 1980s - none of which were on the market more than a couple of years. I suspect those were junk also but Mossberg is just taking advantage of the fact most of us don't look things like that up and they have produced shotguns for many years - them not having any concerns for their customers didn't occur to many of us.

Here's a small example -

http://www.levergunscommunity.com/viewtopic.php?t=7577

The question in my mind is if there were so many failures of components in the first rounds - did Mossberg ever do any test firing of the 464 rifles and, might the next component to fail be dangerous to the health of the shooter???
 
Wow OJ. After reading reviews by Shooting times and Gunblast.com, I was hoping for better results. I know that gun rags and some web sites have sponsors they are beholden to, so they write glowing reviews of their sponsor's products. That is why I wanted information from folks like you, that had first hand knowledge and experience.

I guess I was hoping a long time successful company like Mossberg was putting out a better product. Looks like I will be looking at others. I know Marlin and Winchesters(If you can find a good used one) are good. What to you, and others think of the 92's like Rossi, and Pumas?
 
Well, I didn't mention that a short time after the glowing report in Shooting Times on the 464, the NRA Rifleman published an article equally enthusiastic about the great 464 - in retrospect, I realize my increased confidence in the Rifleman over other gun rags is not realistic.

The other thing I did notice, in retrospect, was that both magazines carried full color advertisements for Mossberg and the new 464 rifle in the same issue of each magazine and I couldn't find any such advertisements in older or subsequent issues of either magazine.

Looked like "quid pro quo" to me - but we all realize gun rags are for sale at some price - NRA Rifleman not excepted.

The good news - for me, at least - is that I did trade mine in on a used Winchester 94 and it was a dealer who I observed it wasn't a good rifle - he was acquainted with those facts but took it in anyway. The price on the Winchester - used but in excellent condition and recently refinished - was $395.00 - pretty much in line with other reports I've seen. I got nearly half that price on the trade-in but, mostly, I'm just glad to have that piece of junk out of my safe. I wouldn't have sold - or given it away to other than a dealer who is aware of guns and their relative value.

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Commemorative Canadian Centennial 1867-1967 Winchester 94 in 30-30 with 20" octagonal barrel.
 
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Land Locked has some good perspective also. The information provided by OJ is two years old. I will be sure to ask the right questions now at the dealer from all your information. Would not hurt to call or email Mossberg with all the concerns raised in this thread also. Thanks.
 
I've made two trips (100 rounds) out in the desert with my trapper length (16.5" barrel) marine coat finish 464 & the gun shoots awesome. I have a very well worn 1894 Winchester & a 336 Marlin, all three in 30-30 & all three with open sites. The 464 weighs about the same as the full length 1894 & feels much lighter than the 336.
If the 464 held 8 rounds like the 1894 I would probably be my favorite exploration gun. The accuracy is excellent, the action feels very smooth & the Williams fire sites are more of an improvement over iron than I thought they would be . It's my wife's favorite rifle, actually it's tie with the AR15.

Best under $400 rifle I've ever had. Awesome truck gun, the finish seems very tough.
 
As it has been mentioned I think that Mossberg has rectified a lot of the issues that there were on the 464. Has anyone recently had any problems with theirs? If a gun comes out with issues it is a major buzzkill for the model. Even if Mossberg made it right the word was out they were not good rifles. I have been considering buying one as well.
 
I havent really seen any other information on function issues recently. Like my post almost a year ago, my 464 is a 2008 production. About 140 rounds down range now with no issues. I know its not high volume shooting but it works.

I agree that the intital problem of the extractor failing some people had with the rifle probably tanked its success, even if the problem is has been fixed. Also the availablity of used rifles and their production numbers over the years might be a competing factor. But there are other rifles and designs that have their own problems and poor reputation, deserved or not. There is more buzz on berretta tomcats with cracked frames on the internet than the mossberg with broken extractors and berretta isn't motivated to pull it from the market. I would be curious to know how many in the thousands of rifles they have made had serious problems with an extractor. I guess we will never know. I feel comforatable with mossberg to fix problems with their products and I wouldnt have a problem buying another one if the price was right. (and no I dont own stock or work for mossberg)
 
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