Moslin Nagat 1891

they're cheap, they shoot cheap bullets, they have quite a bit of historical significance. beyond that they aren't all that spectacular. the most common models are the WWII production ones which have horrible tool marks(some look like giant drill bits they are so spiraled). the bolts are poorly fitted and often rattle in place. they have open spaces and cracks everywhere which let dust and debris in, especially around the bolts and the floor plates. they were handled and used by largely untrained conscripts who gouged out the crowns with steel cleaning rods.

they are the "IT" gun right now just because they are cheap and affordable and many people are able to overlook it's shortcomings because if this but when compared to other rifles of the era like Springfields, Mausers, Enfields, and Arisakas they are in a completely different area code in terms of quality. personally I would go for one of the other more affordable military surplus rifles like Japanese Arisakas or enfield number 4 rifles.
 
I have owned several over the years. Right now I have two of the Chinese type 53 Carbines. They have the slickest bolts and the bore condition is better than most all of the types I have owned. (Very accurate too, even with surplus ammo)

I like 'em!
 
I compare them to the Lee-Enfield. They had a very long service life, they come in enough different varieties-Czarist, Early Soviet, Later Soviet, Finnish capture, Finnish manufacture-US manufacture- Combloc, rifles, carbines, "Dragoon" models to be really interesting IMHO.
A very robust design if a little crude by our standards but well suited to be used by mostly illiterate peasants. The round is comparable to the 303 British.
When you pick one up you are holding a piece of history.
 
GET ONE!

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Tim,

Get one. You won't be sorry.

I assume you have machinery if you're associated with suppressor manufacture.

Shoot me a PM or email after you buy one -- and you should by one! -- and we'll talk shop.

Regards,

Josh Smith
Smith-Sights LLC
 
I don't think they're quite as bad as some make them out to be. True, the WWII Soviet M91/30s were a bit rough, they cut out some finishing steps to save time. But they function fine. Some were used hard, but others have been refurbished to decent condition. The Finnish Mosin Nagants have excellent quality. Check the rifle out carefully and it will be fine.
 
I have a common '43 refurb that externally is rough, but it is extremely accurate. Some of the rifles are good and some are not so good. If you get a bad one they are cheap enough you can try again.
 
To be clear...

The Model 1891 was the "original" Mosin-Nagant "three-line rifle", introduced in 1891 (duh...)

It was later modernized to the M91/30, the "common model", in 1924, based upon the dragoon version.

Model 1891's are usually more collectible than 91/30's, especially the common war time production.
 
If you want, you can edit your original post, and the software should let you edit the title, too - now that you know, you can change the spelling from "Moslin Nagat" to "Mosin Nagant".
 
Please get one. There are so many things this rifle can do, hunting, plinking, even home defense if you live in an area similar to mine. Plus, having a rifle that is over a yard long (close to 2 w/ the bayonet) is cool, I named my M91/30 Kriteriy which means yard stick in Russian. I digress, ammo is cheap, as is the rifle. Owning one of these will really give you an appreciation for the rest of the rifles you own, as well as for the Mosin. Just be aware that if you shoot Corrosive ammo (pretty much all surplus except that awful Greek stuff) will rust your barrel unless you clean it. And from personal experience, don't use a water based cleaner. The salts that develop from primers are hygroscopic, which means they can't be neutralized with water. And it's rather difficult and inefficient to flush them out. Just use a copper solvent, Hoppes 9. I've yet to try Sweet's 7.62 , but I hear it works well. Just whatever you do, do not alter the rifle in any way that is irreversible. Leave it as it is. The ages have been at work on it and man can only mar it.
 
I love them for cheap plinking and more. Heck the ammo is about the same as 9mm. If you want real accuracy get a good one to begin with and blame the Milsurp ammo for the rest. :D Outside of that they do have good ammo available however if your not shooting past 300yds you really don't need it.

Check out long range Mosin Nagant on You Tube.... pretty need for a cheap gun.

Something worth mentioning: They kick like a mule. What makes it worse is that metal but plate. I shot 8 rounds yesterday after several rounds of trap shooting and those 8 rounds hurt! Heck I have bruises to boot! No doubt I will remember to pad up before I go shoot the thing again...lol...;)
 
The salts that develop from primers are hygroscopic, which means they can't be neutralized with water. And it's rather difficult and inefficient to flush them out.
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Completely wrong; Salts, being hygroscopic, are dissolved in water. The most efficient means of removing them is with a water based cleaner. Hot soapy water is best as it also removes some smut and fouling.
 
Hi Marauder,
Here is what I do, with NO rust ever. When I get home from the range, I put a large tea kettle filled with water on the stove while I strip the rifle down. (I worry about water trapped in between the stock and metal.) With the rifle stripped down, I hold the tang and pour HOT water through the bore and rinse the bolt. I do this off the deck so I balance the rifle on the railing and the water goes on the ground. Next, I use a cleaning rod and brush with dish detergent to scrub the bore, from the breech if possible, then rinsing again with HOT water. Note the metal will be HOT, use an oven mitt. While the rifle drains leaning against the deck rail, I thoroughly, rinse the cleaning rod so as not to transfer any salts back to the rifle. I actually also have two 30 cal. rods and keep one strictly for non corrosive and post washed bores. After I rinse the cleaning rod, I clean the rifle as usual with #9 followed by some Kroil. The rifles are stored in a safe with a Golden Rod to keep the air dry. The rust you see may be a result of water left in the bore from cleaning or condensate. The use of HOT water heats the metal and helps dry the rifle before I put it back together. I know from previous posts your rifle is among you prized possessions, take the time to clean it properly. Probably, the best trick is to clean as normal after rinsing, as this will help get rid of any remaining moisture. HTH
Best,
Rob
 
Could I keep cleaning it the way I have? (Hoopes ##9 and a nylon brush followed by several patches). I've actually grown to enjoy that part of owning a Mosin-Nagant. I find it peaceful when I'm running a rod through there. I feel it helps me appreciate the rifle for what it is. You're right about it being my prized possession. I don't know what I would do if something ever were to happen to it.
 
Possibly the reason it develops surface rust is that you don't oil all the metal surfaces after you do your soapy water scrub down. Or, perhaps you didn't get it completely dry...
Using HOT soapy water to scrub the bore and chamber (and bolt face) is the best way to keep the corrosive deposits from rusting your rifle.
Oil is the best way to keep a rifle that has gotten wet from rusting.
 
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